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		<title>By: Shreyas</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/07/25/four-pillars-four-more-themes-before-the-next-recap/comment-page-1/#comment-4126</link>
		<dc:creator>Shreyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the future of Thin Client is ThinOs?

More good stuff from MIT: www.youos.com
http://www.slate.com/id/2144896/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the future of Thin Client is ThinOs?</p>
<p>More good stuff from MIT: <a href="http://www.youos.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youos.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2144896/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2144896/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Confused Of Calcutta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Four Pillars: On misses and hits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused Of Calcutta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Four Pillars: On misses and hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Confused Of Calcutta    &#171; Four Pillars: Four more themes before the next recap [...]</description>
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		<title>By: alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK here&#039;s the promised link:

http://www.gpbullhound.com/research/documents/SectorReportP2PJuly2006.pdf

This report looks at the data explosion and provides a little data and some estimates.   Scary stuff.

Nic - good point on the 50% vs 2%.   But do you mean that in the same sense as eg &quot;The top 2% of the sites contribute 50% of the volume&quot;?  If so then I think we all mean the same thing, though I would personally hazard a guess that for downloadable movies it might be 1% contributing more than 75% of volume.  Don&#039;t know the numbers though.

I think you are also right that ISPs will most likely be active participants in the solution to the load problem.   That said it *is* possible to combine the benefits of encryption with caching.  In several different ways, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK here&#8217;s the promised link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gpbullhound.com/research/documents/SectorReportP2PJuly2006.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpbullhound.com/research/documents/SectorReportP2PJuly2006.pdf</a></p>
<p>This report looks at the data explosion and provides a little data and some estimates.   Scary stuff.</p>
<p>Nic &#8211; good point on the 50% vs 2%.   But do you mean that in the same sense as eg &#8220;The top 2% of the sites contribute 50% of the volume&#8221;?  If so then I think we all mean the same thing, though I would personally hazard a guess that for downloadable movies it might be 1% contributing more than 75% of volume.  Don&#8217;t know the numbers though.</p>
<p>I think you are also right that ISPs will most likely be active participants in the solution to the load problem.   That said it *is* possible to combine the benefits of encryption with caching.  In several different ways, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Brisbourne</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/07/25/four-pillars-four-more-themes-before-the-next-recap/comment-page-1/#comment-4097</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic Brisbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought from Chris Anderson is that the head is nearer 50% than 2% (although I&#039;m only half way through The Long Tail).

The other problem with caching this stuff is recognising it.  You can see a future where P2P traffic is encrypted so ISPs can&#039;t recongnise it and throttle it back.  If it&#039;s encrypted it can&#039;t be cached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought from Chris Anderson is that the head is nearer 50% than 2% (although I&#8217;m only half way through The Long Tail).</p>
<p>The other problem with caching this stuff is recognising it.  You can see a future where P2P traffic is encrypted so ISPs can&#8217;t recongnise it and throttle it back.  If it&#8217;s encrypted it can&#8217;t be cached.</p>
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		<title>By: alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, the so-called &#039;view from nowhere&#039;.

If you haven&#039;t yet seen it you may enjoy: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195056442/002-0429603-4396814?v=glance&amp;n=283155

Dream the Cartesian dream if you like ;-)  

Possibly the courtroom of public opinion demands more though?  

Talking of peers... Of course, there is a sense in which an extra peer on Bittorrent is just another (active) cache, and any active cache is a peer in a multimaster (asynchronously) replicated environment.

If you want to restrict it to time-shiftable stuff then that&#039;s a good assumption IMHO.

So the question is: what is the impact of adding new peers to a content delivery network?  Then, new peers decrease load on the old peers (the servers), but only decrease network traffic if getting the data from the new peer costs less than getting it from the old peer.  In other words: if the new peer is near in the network topology, than the old peer.  I.e. peer = cache.

For guys like Warner, reducing server load makes sense of course:
http://gigaom.com/2006/05/08/bittorrent-snags-warner-brothers/

For anyone shovelling traffic around, adding a new peer may not help unless the traffic routes elsewhere.  Moreover in this case time-shifting does not help except in (possibly) suggesting some traffic shaping heuristics.

Net net: the benefits of caching/peering etc do not look like providing a solution, though clearly they are a necessary step towards one.   There is a report on this which has some useful data in it.  I am going to ask the owner if they can put it on the web and provide a link.  

Finally, re your 2% short fat head number.  Fair assumption but the distribution is surely *so* aggressively Zipf (eg http://www.useit.com/alertbox/zipf.html) that the short fat head constitutes most of the volume?   Consider eg the release of a new &#039;mega&#039; movie.  How much traffic do we expect in week 1?

What I&#039;m saying is that the long tail may contributing relatively little to the &#039;caching&#039; problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the so-called &#8216;view from nowhere&#8217;.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t yet seen it you may enjoy:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195056442/002-0429603-4396814?v=glance&amp;n=283155" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195056442/002-0429603-4396814?v=glance&amp;n=283155</a></p>
<p>Dream the Cartesian dream if you like ;-)  </p>
<p>Possibly the courtroom of public opinion demands more though?  </p>
<p>Talking of peers&#8230; Of course, there is a sense in which an extra peer on Bittorrent is just another (active) cache, and any active cache is a peer in a multimaster (asynchronously) replicated environment.</p>
<p>If you want to restrict it to time-shiftable stuff then that&#8217;s a good assumption IMHO.</p>
<p>So the question is: what is the impact of adding new peers to a content delivery network?  Then, new peers decrease load on the old peers (the servers), but only decrease network traffic if getting the data from the new peer costs less than getting it from the old peer.  In other words: if the new peer is near in the network topology, than the old peer.  I.e. peer = cache.</p>
<p>For guys like Warner, reducing server load makes sense of course:<br />
<a href="http://gigaom.com/2006/05/08/bittorrent-snags-warner-brothers/" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2006/05/08/bittorrent-snags-warner-brothers/</a></p>
<p>For anyone shovelling traffic around, adding a new peer may not help unless the traffic routes elsewhere.  Moreover in this case time-shifting does not help except in (possibly) suggesting some traffic shaping heuristics.</p>
<p>Net net: the benefits of caching/peering etc do not look like providing a solution, though clearly they are a necessary step towards one.   There is a report on this which has some useful data in it.  I am going to ask the owner if they can put it on the web and provide a link.  </p>
<p>Finally, re your 2% short fat head number.  Fair assumption but the distribution is surely *so* aggressively Zipf (eg <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/zipf.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.useit.com/alertbox/zipf.html)</a> that the short fat head constitutes most of the volume?   Consider eg the release of a new &#8216;mega&#8217; movie.  How much traffic do we expect in week 1?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that the long tail may contributing relatively little to the &#8216;caching&#8217; problem.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) I take the Fifth....
Surely the short fat head is more suited to BitTorrenting than the tail, which still begs the caching question. And for the sake of this argument I am considering all video to be time-shiftable.... so if the bandwidth issue is all about video, and downloads at that, and there&#039;s a 2% short fat head, and BitTorrent can do that in its sleep given the &quot;hits&quot; nature, and all video is time-shiftable.

Lots of assumptions. All I&#039;m trying to do is take a no-taboos view, no anchors or frames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:-) I take the Fifth&#8230;.<br />
Surely the short fat head is more suited to BitTorrenting than the tail, which still begs the caching question. And for the sake of this argument I am considering all video to be time-shiftable&#8230;. so if the bandwidth issue is all about video, and downloads at that, and there&#8217;s a 2% short fat head, and BitTorrent can do that in its sleep given the &#8220;hits&#8221; nature, and all video is time-shiftable.</p>
<p>Lots of assumptions. All I&#8217;m trying to do is take a no-taboos view, no anchors or frames.</p>
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		<title>By: alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on JP, you know the caching is to reduce the bandwidth costs of the short fat head and not the long thin tail.  

This works because the economics/maths of the long tail is (surely) that the integral of the tail in the  &#039;attention curve&#039; is less than that in the head, while, for the profit curve, it can be the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on JP, you know the caching is to reduce the bandwidth costs of the short fat head and not the long thin tail.  </p>
<p>This works because the economics/maths of the long tail is (surely) that the integral of the tail in the  &#8216;attention curve&#8217; is less than that in the head, while, for the profit curve, it can be the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Yeomans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Yeomans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhijit&#039;s Balanced ternary paper brought back fond memories of my time with the Trinity Mathematical Society http://www.srcf.ucam.org/tms/archive.php when I restored the tradition of presenting the accounts in reverse duodecimal, which had the digits -6 .. +6. This had two main advantages, one being that there was no distinction between addition and subtraction, and the second being that they were even more incomprehensible than normal accounts!

Donald Knuth took the idea further, with the quater-imaginary system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base with base 2i. Every complex number can be represented with just the digits 0, 1, 2, 3 without a sign.

For even more esoteric discussions to take to the pub, what is God&#039;s own numbering system? It must be able to hold from the Planck length (1.616 x 10^-35 m) to the diameter of the universe (perhaps 1.5 x 10^27 m), a ratio of 2.4 x 10^62 times. That requires 208 bits of precision or 131 trits or 104 quadrits or ... And when wrap-around occurs we have the cyclic universe theory :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhijit&#8217;s Balanced ternary paper brought back fond memories of my time with the Trinity Mathematical Society <a href="http://www.srcf.ucam.org/tms/archive.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.srcf.ucam.org/tms/archive.php</a> when I restored the tradition of presenting the accounts in reverse duodecimal, which had the digits -6 .. +6. This had two main advantages, one being that there was no distinction between addition and subtraction, and the second being that they were even more incomprehensible than normal accounts!</p>
<p>Donald Knuth took the idea further, with the quater-imaginary system <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base</a> with base 2i. Every complex number can be represented with just the digits 0, 1, 2, 3 without a sign.</p>
<p>For even more esoteric discussions to take to the pub, what is God&#8217;s own numbering system? It must be able to hold from the Planck length (1.616 x 10^-35 m) to the diameter of the universe (perhaps 1.5 x 10^27 m), a ratio of 2.4 x 10^62 times. That requires 208 bits of precision or 131 trits or 104 quadrits or &#8230; And when wrap-around occurs we have the cyclic universe theory :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps there is another - related - strand (maybe not enough to be a &#039;theme&#039;) and that is the immediacy of Web Services/SOA/SaaS/Web2.0

Users are already disgruntled with the concept of &#039;install&#039;, rebelling against the idea of &#039;implement&#039;.  

With the user base suffering from a combination of Customer Attention Deficit Disorder and the need for instant gratification, how does the Enterprise Software market (big code) respond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there is another &#8211; related &#8211; strand (maybe not enough to be a &#8216;theme&#8217;) and that is the immediacy of Web Services/SOA/SaaS/Web2.0</p>
<p>Users are already disgruntled with the concept of &#8216;install&#8217;, rebelling against the idea of &#8216;implement&#8217;.  </p>
<p>With the user base suffering from a combination of Customer Attention Deficit Disorder and the need for instant gratification, how does the Enterprise Software market (big code) respond?</p>
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		<title>By: V Ramaswamy</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Ramaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JP, I remembered you this morning as I read a friend&#039;s mail. I know you used to have a thing with numbers and their properties. And now I think you would be one with the spirit of: &quot;Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes.&quot; EW Dijkstra, and &quot;The very crudities of the first attack on a significant problem... are more illuminating than all the pretty elegance of the standard texts which has been won at the cost of perhaps centuries of finicky polishing.&quot; Eric Temple Bell, about mathematics. My friend, Abhijit, believes he has come upon an important discovery in mathematics / numbers, with far-reaching application implications. His paper is at:
http://abhijit.info/tristate/tristate.html  You might be interested. Thanks. Best, chutki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JP, I remembered you this morning as I read a friend&#8217;s mail. I know you used to have a thing with numbers and their properties. And now I think you would be one with the spirit of: &#8220;Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes.&#8221; EW Dijkstra, and &#8220;The very crudities of the first attack on a significant problem&#8230; are more illuminating than all the pretty elegance of the standard texts which has been won at the cost of perhaps centuries of finicky polishing.&#8221; Eric Temple Bell, about mathematics. My friend, Abhijit, believes he has come upon an important discovery in mathematics / numbers, with far-reaching application implications. His paper is at:<br />
<a href="http://abhijit.info/tristate/tristate.html" rel="nofollow">http://abhijit.info/tristate/tristate.html</a>  You might be interested. Thanks. Best, chutki</p>
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