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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-403408</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time someone reads a post I wrote over two years ago, I realise how remiss I am in not tagging and archiving the posts in a more convenient way. Any tips for how I could do this easily for over a thousand posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time someone reads a post I wrote over two years ago, I realise how remiss I am in not tagging and archiving the posts in a more convenient way. Any tips for how I could do this easily for over a thousand posts?</p>
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		<title>By: theorywatch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gresham&#8217;s Law of Information?</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-403021</link>
		<dc:creator>theorywatch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gresham&#8217;s Law of Information?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] grateful, for some of the most interesting things in that arena are appearing on blogs like that of confused of calcutta, and how would a course reading list full of blog links look in my all-important tenure packet? Not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] grateful, for some of the most interesting things in that arena are appearing on blogs like that of confused of calcutta, and how would a course reading list full of blog links look in my all-important tenure packet? Not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: llywrch</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-6760</link>
		<dc:creator>llywrch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your suppositino of applying Gresham&#039;s Law information reminds me of Dr Stockmann&#039;s speech in Ibsen&#039;s play, &quot;Enemy of the People&quot; where he declares (as translated for Penguin Books): &quot;What sort of truths do the majority always rally around? Why, truths so stricken with age that they are practically decrepit! But when a truth&#039;s as old as that, gentlemen, it&#039;s well on the way to becoming a lie.&quot;

Of course, Ibsen wrote this play over one hundred years ago, in 1882, so by its own logic this truth  has aged into a falsehood. ;-)

Geoff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your suppositino of applying Gresham&#8217;s Law information reminds me of Dr Stockmann&#8217;s speech in Ibsen&#8217;s play, &#8220;Enemy of the People&#8221; where he declares (as translated for Penguin Books): &#8220;What sort of truths do the majority always rally around? Why, truths so stricken with age that they are practically decrepit! But when a truth&#8217;s as old as that, gentlemen, it&#8217;s well on the way to becoming a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, Ibsen wrote this play over one hundred years ago, in 1882, so by its own logic this truth  has aged into a falsehood. ;-)</p>
<p>Geoff</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-6221</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why we&#039;re having this conversation. There&#039;s a lot to work out and get right, the answers aren&#039;t simple, and much can be gained or lost in the words we use and the meanings we seek to portray or absorb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why we&#8217;re having this conversation. There&#8217;s a lot to work out and get right, the answers aren&#8217;t simple, and much can be gained or lost in the words we use and the meanings we seek to portray or absorb.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smoliar</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-6220</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think it is just as dangerous to go out in a limb over the concept of &quot;intrinsic value&quot; as it is to fall back on the oversimplification of &quot;good money!&quot;  This is why I prefer to refer to paper currency as instances of &quot;fiat money:&quot;  the value is assigned by the fiat of an authority that is accepted by those who exchange the currency (the Federal Reserve, in the case of the United States).  There is nothing &quot;intrinsic&quot; about the value of specie currency.  As a matter of fact, in THE MONEY GAME the other Adam Smith talked about exchanging a dollar bill (back in the days then these carried the label &quot;Silver Certificate&quot;) for silver.  He got silver all right;  but he got it in a form whose &quot;intrinsic&quot; value was probably less than that of the dollar bill!

Needless to say, it makes even less sense to talk about the &quot;intrinsic value&quot; of information.  As JP has demonstrated in another blog entry, any value information has resides in how it is interpreted.  This depends on both WHO is doing the interpreting and WHEN the interpretation takes place.

Now, what may differentiate information from other commodities is that we may wish to talk about instances of information having NEGATIVE value.  An example would be a piece of source code at an open-source site that has a virus concealed in it.  Another example might be the intentionally planted bogus data about John Siegenthaler&#039;s connection to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.  Back in the day Einstein warned us that just about any scientific discovery could be used for good or ill purposes.  Perhaps we need to refine this warning with a better theory of negative information value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think it is just as dangerous to go out in a limb over the concept of &#8220;intrinsic value&#8221; as it is to fall back on the oversimplification of &#8220;good money!&#8221;  This is why I prefer to refer to paper currency as instances of &#8220;fiat money:&#8221;  the value is assigned by the fiat of an authority that is accepted by those who exchange the currency (the Federal Reserve, in the case of the United States).  There is nothing &#8220;intrinsic&#8221; about the value of specie currency.  As a matter of fact, in THE MONEY GAME the other Adam Smith talked about exchanging a dollar bill (back in the days then these carried the label &#8220;Silver Certificate&#8221;) for silver.  He got silver all right;  but he got it in a form whose &#8220;intrinsic&#8221; value was probably less than that of the dollar bill!</p>
<p>Needless to say, it makes even less sense to talk about the &#8220;intrinsic value&#8221; of information.  As JP has demonstrated in another blog entry, any value information has resides in how it is interpreted.  This depends on both WHO is doing the interpreting and WHEN the interpretation takes place.</p>
<p>Now, what may differentiate information from other commodities is that we may wish to talk about instances of information having NEGATIVE value.  An example would be a piece of source code at an open-source site that has a virus concealed in it.  Another example might be the intentionally planted bogus data about John Siegenthaler&#8217;s connection to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.  Back in the day Einstein warned us that just about any scientific discovery could be used for good or ill purposes.  Perhaps we need to refine this warning with a better theory of negative information value.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tend to agree with you Dylan, which is why I am concerned.

My post dealt with keeping the nominal versus intrinsic distinctions simple, and concentrated on where the warranty for the nominal value came from. If that warranty can be obtained by gaming the system, then &quot;bad&quot; information will drive out &quot;good&quot;.

My thesis is that we can prevent this, by looking hard at the provider of the warranty and ensuring that the warranting process is kept honest. We haven&#039;t got it right, the system can be gamed, but I&#039;d like to think that we will learn more and that we can minimise the impact of Gresham&#039;s Law as a result.

There is, of course, a separate discussion to be had on what constitutes good information and bad information in an &quot;intrinsic value&quot; sense. Is centrally controlled propaganda good? Is a reasonably well-written blog bad? There is some capacity to make &quot;factual&quot; distinctions between good and bad information, although I am uncomfortable with it; I have seen too many spin doctors at work, and the Lakoff and Chomsky arguments come to mind. But when it comes to ideas, it is positively dangerous to start defining ideas as good and bad, whatever the yardstick used and however well -meaning the attempt is. That path leads to thought police very quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tend to agree with you Dylan, which is why I am concerned.</p>
<p>My post dealt with keeping the nominal versus intrinsic distinctions simple, and concentrated on where the warranty for the nominal value came from. If that warranty can be obtained by gaming the system, then &#8220;bad&#8221; information will drive out &#8220;good&#8221;.</p>
<p>My thesis is that we can prevent this, by looking hard at the provider of the warranty and ensuring that the warranting process is kept honest. We haven&#8217;t got it right, the system can be gamed, but I&#8217;d like to think that we will learn more and that we can minimise the impact of Gresham&#8217;s Law as a result.</p>
<p>There is, of course, a separate discussion to be had on what constitutes good information and bad information in an &#8220;intrinsic value&#8221; sense. Is centrally controlled propaganda good? Is a reasonably well-written blog bad? There is some capacity to make &#8220;factual&#8221; distinctions between good and bad information, although I am uncomfortable with it; I have seen too many spin doctors at work, and the Lakoff and Chomsky arguments come to mind. But when it comes to ideas, it is positively dangerous to start defining ideas as good and bad, whatever the yardstick used and however well -meaning the attempt is. That path leads to thought police very quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Tweney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Tweney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, let&#039;s not get too excited by the terms &quot;good money&quot; and &quot;bad money&quot; in Gresham&#039;s Law. If you trust Wikipedia&#039;s definition, it&#039;s clear that &quot;bad&quot; means money whose nominal value is greater than its intrinsic value. A dollar bill is worth $1, although the paper it&#039;s printed on is probably worth less than 1 cent. That&#039;s &quot;bad money&quot; by Gresham&#039;s definition, but it&#039;s still worth a $1 as long as the American economy holds up. In fact, all of our money has been entirely nominal for years, and it&#039;s not even backed by real money anymore since we went off the gold standard (I think in the 1960s). It&#039;s all a massive trust game: Money is worth what we believe it is worth.

Now, what would it mean to apply this to information? Not that &quot;bad information&quot; drives out &quot;good information&quot; in the simplistic sense of the terms &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;good&quot; -- ie. Wikipedia will drive out Britannica (although that is almost certainly going to happen). Instead, I&#039;d read this to mean that &quot;bad information&quot; is information that has nominal value rather than &quot;intrinsic&quot; value. In other words, information that is valuable to the extent that a community of people agree it is valuable -- without reference to some external criterion, like say physical reality.

In this sense, I&#039;d argue that Gresham&#039;s Law is already valid for the blogosphere, in spades. (Or more accurately, the Googlesphere.) Information is valued exactly to the extent that it&#039;s linked to. Any reference to external validation is irrelevant -- what matters is how many people blog you. That&#039;s Gresham&#039;s Law in action right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, let&#8217;s not get too excited by the terms &#8220;good money&#8221; and &#8220;bad money&#8221; in Gresham&#8217;s Law. If you trust Wikipedia&#8217;s definition, it&#8217;s clear that &#8220;bad&#8221; means money whose nominal value is greater than its intrinsic value. A dollar bill is worth $1, although the paper it&#8217;s printed on is probably worth less than 1 cent. That&#8217;s &#8220;bad money&#8221; by Gresham&#8217;s definition, but it&#8217;s still worth a $1 as long as the American economy holds up. In fact, all of our money has been entirely nominal for years, and it&#8217;s not even backed by real money anymore since we went off the gold standard (I think in the 1960s). It&#8217;s all a massive trust game: Money is worth what we believe it is worth.</p>
<p>Now, what would it mean to apply this to information? Not that &#8220;bad information&#8221; drives out &#8220;good information&#8221; in the simplistic sense of the terms &#8220;bad&#8221; and &#8220;good&#8221; &#8212; ie. Wikipedia will drive out Britannica (although that is almost certainly going to happen). Instead, I&#8217;d read this to mean that &#8220;bad information&#8221; is information that has nominal value rather than &#8220;intrinsic&#8221; value. In other words, information that is valuable to the extent that a community of people agree it is valuable &#8212; without reference to some external criterion, like say physical reality.</p>
<p>In this sense, I&#8217;d argue that Gresham&#8217;s Law is already valid for the blogosphere, in spades. (Or more accurately, the Googlesphere.) Information is valued exactly to the extent that it&#8217;s linked to. Any reference to external validation is irrelevant &#8212; what matters is how many people blog you. That&#8217;s Gresham&#8217;s Law in action right there.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok will be in touch shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok will be in touch shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: devangshu</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/08/29/is-there-a-greshams-law-for-information/comment-page-1/#comment-6052</link>
		<dc:creator>devangshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JP, 
The email is my first name at gmail.com. One of the nicer things about having an unusual name. 
DD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JP,<br />
The email is my first name at gmail.com. One of the nicer things about having an unusual name.<br />
DD</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have more faith in the multitude. Given enough eyeballs is an important condition, It&#039;s like any other market. Liquidity is king for anything commoditised. And opensource can and should be primarily about commodity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have more faith in the multitude. Given enough eyeballs is an important condition, It&#8217;s like any other market. Liquidity is king for anything commoditised. And opensource can and should be primarily about commodity.</p>
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