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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-244940</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and did not know about it. Thanks for the information ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and did not know about it. Thanks for the information &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Confused Of Calcutta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Musing about opensource: The threat is stronger than the move</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-71201</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused Of Calcutta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Musing about opensource: The threat is stronger than the move</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve always believed in a community participation rule of thumb, something I&#8217;ve written about before here and here. The numbers tell the story: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Framtider.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-11-29</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-26211</link>
		<dc:creator>Framtider.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-11-29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Confused Of Calcutta: Community participation rule-of-thumb: a follow-up post UppfÃ¶ljare angÃ¥ende tesen att av 100 deltagare i ett community Ã¤r 920 passiva, 60 Ã¤r iakttagare, 15 Ã¤r aktiva och 5 Ã¤r hyperaktiva. (tags: community jp_rangaswami deltagande_kultur) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Confused Of Calcutta: Community participation rule-of-thumb: a follow-up post UppfÃ¶ljare angÃ¥ende tesen att av 100 deltagare i ett community Ã¤r 920 passiva, 60 Ã¤r iakttagare, 15 Ã¤r aktiva och 5 Ã¤r hyperaktiva. (tags: community jp_rangaswami deltagande_kultur) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Mayfield</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16610</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Mayfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this  fits http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2006/04/power_law_of_pa.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this  fits <a href="http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2006/04/power_law_of_pa.html" rel="nofollow">http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2006/04/power_law_of_pa.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: [Mauvaises pensÃ©es d&#8217;un consultant] :: Pareto est mort; vive Zipf ! :: November :: 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>[Mauvaises pensÃ©es d&#8217;un consultant] :: Pareto est mort; vive Zipf ! :: November :: 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Un excellent article &#8212;comme toujours&#8212; de Jakob Nielsen, sur la participation on line [via &#8212;comme souvent&#8212; Confused of Calcutta; ce type Ã©crit plus vite que son ombre!]. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Un excellent article &mdash;comme toujours&mdash; de Jakob Nielsen, sur la participation on line [via &mdash;comme souvent&mdash; Confused of Calcutta; ce type Ã©crit plus vite que son ombre!]. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-16144</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I am always suspicious of ideas that seek to apply order to the chaotic nature of open communities and draw parallels with archaic corporate structures, it smacks of authoritarianism and a desire to control and direct, influences open communities do not react well to. They are what they are, the hyperactives stimulate growth, mobility and productivity but it takes the larger mass to hold them in suspension, isolated from convention and feeding their numbers through said mobility, exchanging energy much as water molecules in a wave do.

Open communities are the primordial soup of human ingenuity that form in puddles at the boundary of order as both concepts mutually repulse each other. Droplets of this soup merge into flows and torrents building great inertia and as we see so often, wash away the incumbents and their barriers of anal sensitivities and adherence to structure. Now keep in mind they are a primordial gloop, and like any gloop will be made up from an awful lot of plain old stuff that doesn&#039;t do much, then a sprinkling of other stuff that does a little and even less that does a huge amount. The jerks are a tiny minority constituent in that gloop but IMHO are an essential element in stimulating the previously mentioned mobility within gloop. Think white blood cells and the jerks being the vacuous cells that form a vaccine, switching on thousands of those rather inactive white cells.

I also like to see open source, albeit with tongue firmly in cheek as a few giants standing on the shoulders of many midgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I am always suspicious of ideas that seek to apply order to the chaotic nature of open communities and draw parallels with archaic corporate structures, it smacks of authoritarianism and a desire to control and direct, influences open communities do not react well to. They are what they are, the hyperactives stimulate growth, mobility and productivity but it takes the larger mass to hold them in suspension, isolated from convention and feeding their numbers through said mobility, exchanging energy much as water molecules in a wave do.</p>
<p>Open communities are the primordial soup of human ingenuity that form in puddles at the boundary of order as both concepts mutually repulse each other. Droplets of this soup merge into flows and torrents building great inertia and as we see so often, wash away the incumbents and their barriers of anal sensitivities and adherence to structure. Now keep in mind they are a primordial gloop, and like any gloop will be made up from an awful lot of plain old stuff that doesn&#8217;t do much, then a sprinkling of other stuff that does a little and even less that does a huge amount. The jerks are a tiny minority constituent in that gloop but IMHO are an essential element in stimulating the previously mentioned mobility within gloop. Think white blood cells and the jerks being the vacuous cells that form a vaccine, switching on thousands of those rather inactive white cells.</p>
<p>I also like to see open source, albeit with tongue firmly in cheek as a few giants standing on the shoulders of many midgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused Of Calcutta &#124; None of Us is As Smart as All of Us &#171; Bankwatch</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-15399</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused Of Calcutta &#124; None of Us is As Smart as All of Us &#171; Bankwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#160;Interesting posts here and follow up here from Confused of Calcutta.&#160;  I&#8217;ve always believed in a simple rule-of-thumb about opensource communities: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &nbsp;Interesting posts here and follow up here from Confused of Calcutta.&nbsp;  I&#8217;ve always believed in a simple rule-of-thumb about opensource communities: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vario Creative Blog &#187; Communities and Self-Policing</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-15318</link>
		<dc:creator>Vario Creative Blog &#187; Communities and Self-Policing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JP had a great follow up to yesterday&#8217;s bit on Community Participation.Â  He quite presciently notes that roles within communities are not stagnant, they in fact evolve. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JP had a great follow up to yesterday&#8217;s bit on Community Participation.Â  He quite presciently notes that roles within communities are not stagnant, they in fact evolve. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Tebbutt</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2006/10/31/community-participation-rule-of-thumb-a-follow-up-post/comment-page-1/#comment-15276</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tebbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To JP: Thanks for the reminder - I&#039;ve just spent a few weeks in the Office 2.0 and Enterprise 2.0 space where most of the emphasis has been on users at the edge taking the initiative, rather than the company as a whole. How quickly one loses perspective.

To TJC: I&#039;ve found it very helpful for the community to be seen to turn on the jerk rather than any kind of authority figure. Of course, some encouragement behind the scenes might be needed. I realise this isn&#039;t transparent but, heck, we&#039;re dealing with unreasonableness here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To JP: Thanks for the reminder &#8211; I&#8217;ve just spent a few weeks in the Office 2.0 and Enterprise 2.0 space where most of the emphasis has been on users at the edge taking the initiative, rather than the company as a whole. How quickly one loses perspective.</p>
<p>To TJC: I&#8217;ve found it very helpful for the community to be seen to turn on the jerk rather than any kind of authority figure. Of course, some encouragement behind the scenes might be needed. I realise this isn&#8217;t transparent but, heck, we&#8217;re dealing with unreasonableness here.</p>
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		<title>By: T.J. Crowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.J. Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Cahillâ€™s total jerk problem, when reading your first post I too was struck by the absense of a category along those lines.  It&#039;s an unfortunate reality, though, that if you have an open space -- and particularly an anonymous or semi-anonymous space -- there are people who will simply abuse it.  This is true of walls in cities, email, chat rooms, blog comments, participation forums, etc.  Social scientists might tell us that this is an outlet for aggression which is generated in a different part of our lives where it cannot be expressed -- economic depression, sexual frustration, a lack of belief in self, etc. Others might say that certain people are just, well, jerks (to use a term I can safely use in someone else&#039;s blog).  Regardless of cause, though, if we want open, well-connected, effective, and fun communities (and we do), as communities we have to find ways to deal with the two (or more) &quot;total jerks&quot; out of every thousand members.

The question is how.  It&#039;s easy to react rather than act, and so try to shut them out of the community or limit their participation in it -- put their heads on pikes as a warning to the other jerks out there. I&#039;ve had to do that sometimes (I moderate the forums on &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.pocket-monkey.com&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a site&lt;/a&gt;). I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m convinced that&#039;s the best way, from a human standpoint or indeed from an effectiveness standpoint (especially not in an anonymous or semi-anonymous spaces). But sadly, I don&#039;t have the answer to this one. Cahill may well be right that we need the pikes and their grisly adornment. But do we (who are smarter than me ;-) ) have better ways of doing it? It&#039;s not like this is a new problem, we&#039;re just finding it in new places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Cahillâ€™s total jerk problem, when reading your first post I too was struck by the absense of a category along those lines.  It&#8217;s an unfortunate reality, though, that if you have an open space &#8212; and particularly an anonymous or semi-anonymous space &#8212; there are people who will simply abuse it.  This is true of walls in cities, email, chat rooms, blog comments, participation forums, etc.  Social scientists might tell us that this is an outlet for aggression which is generated in a different part of our lives where it cannot be expressed &#8212; economic depression, sexual frustration, a lack of belief in self, etc. Others might say that certain people are just, well, jerks (to use a term I can safely use in someone else&#8217;s blog).  Regardless of cause, though, if we want open, well-connected, effective, and fun communities (and we do), as communities we have to find ways to deal with the two (or more) &#8220;total jerks&#8221; out of every thousand members.</p>
<p>The question is how.  It&#8217;s easy to react rather than act, and so try to shut them out of the community or limit their participation in it &#8212; put their heads on pikes as a warning to the other jerks out there. I&#8217;ve had to do that sometimes (I moderate the forums on <a href='http://www.pocket-monkey.com' rel="nofollow">a site</a>). I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m convinced that&#8217;s the best way, from a human standpoint or indeed from an effectiveness standpoint (especially not in an anonymous or semi-anonymous spaces). But sadly, I don&#8217;t have the answer to this one. Cahill may well be right that we need the pikes and their grisly adornment. But do we (who are smarter than me ;-) ) have better ways of doing it? It&#8217;s not like this is a new problem, we&#8217;re just finding it in new places.</p>
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