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		<title>By: N. Venkatraman</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-133043</link>
		<dc:creator>N. Venkatraman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 03:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think visualization (logic, models and representation) are extremely important for analysts, managers (and students) to make sense of the complexity and dynamics that characterize the business systems today. I found the visual complexity site (www.visualcomplexity.com) to be a good site that summarizes so many different ways to make sense of the data. I will blog on this more and link to some of the tools and approaches that we have been developing as we think about strategy 2.0 (a network approach to business strategy and value creation).  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think visualization (logic, models and representation) are extremely important for analysts, managers (and students) to make sense of the complexity and dynamics that characterize the business systems today. I found the visual complexity site (www.visualcomplexity.com) to be a good site that summarizes so many different ways to make sense of the data. I will blog on this more and link to some of the tools and approaches that we have been developing as we think about strategy 2.0 (a network approach to business strategy and value creation).  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: jd</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-75555</link>
		<dc:creator>jd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really found that link useful. Thanks!

For graphic representation and fast slice-n-dice I have become hooked on Tableau Software. Google it, try the demo. Its like pivot tables and graphs on meth. Very handy, but no panacea. 

-JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really found that link useful. Thanks!</p>
<p>For graphic representation and fast slice-n-dice I have become hooked on Tableau Software. Google it, try the demo. Its like pivot tables and graphs on meth. Very handy, but no panacea. </p>
<p>-JD</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed a terrific table, blogwise &lt;a href=&quot;http://infosthetics.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://infosthetics.com/&lt;/a&gt; is always worth a visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed a terrific table, blogwise <a href="http://infosthetics.com/" rel="nofollow">http://infosthetics.com/</a> is always worth a visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smoliar</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-72583</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, it appears that I have to raise the voice of ancient (or at least mediaeval) history!  Once upon a time there was a &quot;trivium&quot; of &quot;fundamental&quot; scholarship:  logic, grammar, and rhetoric.  Our command of grammar has eroded considerably, perhaps because we have ceded control of it to Microsoft (who would have done better to stick to checking spelling).  Information technology has probably made us more aware of logic but not necessarily made us any better at it.  Meanwhile, rhetoric is the poor orphan left out in the cold.  John Seely Brown used to talk about PowerPoint providing the basis for a new genre of rhetoric.  Not only do I agree with him, but I have tried to perform exercises of my own to make his case:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Mff23hgidqmHGqbcv.lfskakEtS6qLVHUEMFUG4-?cq=1&amp;p=165&quot;&gt;PowerPoint Rhetoric&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it is not a question of whether or not &quot;Powerpoint, usually bad Powerpoint, rules over all.&quot;  Rather, our use of PowerPoint is simply a symptom of the extent to which we have flushed the entire trivium down the toilet, logic and grammar along with rhetoric.  It is not a question of what there is to see through new approaches to visualization but of whether or not we really have anything to say and whether or not it is worth saying.

If this sounds too inflammatory, I apologize by informing readers that I spent last night listening to my President talk about his &quot;new strategy&quot; for Iraq!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, it appears that I have to raise the voice of ancient (or at least mediaeval) history!  Once upon a time there was a &#8220;trivium&#8221; of &#8220;fundamental&#8221; scholarship:  logic, grammar, and rhetoric.  Our command of grammar has eroded considerably, perhaps because we have ceded control of it to Microsoft (who would have done better to stick to checking spelling).  Information technology has probably made us more aware of logic but not necessarily made us any better at it.  Meanwhile, rhetoric is the poor orphan left out in the cold.  John Seely Brown used to talk about PowerPoint providing the basis for a new genre of rhetoric.  Not only do I agree with him, but I have tried to perform exercises of my own to make his case:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Mff23hgidqmHGqbcv.lfskakEtS6qLVHUEMFUG4-?cq=1&amp;p=165">PowerPoint Rhetoric</a></p></blockquote>
<p>So it is not a question of whether or not &#8220;Powerpoint, usually bad Powerpoint, rules over all.&#8221;  Rather, our use of PowerPoint is simply a symptom of the extent to which we have flushed the entire trivium down the toilet, logic and grammar along with rhetoric.  It is not a question of what there is to see through new approaches to visualization but of whether or not we really have anything to say and whether or not it is worth saying.</p>
<p>If this sounds too inflammatory, I apologize by informing readers that I spent last night listening to my President talk about his &#8220;new strategy&#8221; for Iraq!</p>
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		<title>By: bobby orbach</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-72573</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby orbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget about our data visulaization friends at FractalEdge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t forget about our data visulaization friends at FractalEdge</p>
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		<title>By: tim cropley</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim cropley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A visiualisation of visulalisations  - all very meta.  
Very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A visiualisation of visulalisations  &#8211; all very meta.<br />
Very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Brister</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-71667</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

we did a lot of research at Manchester University MVC;

http://www.sve.man.ac.uk/mvc

I remember a project to create an interactive visualisation of a library using VRML 2.0 and Java. I am not sure if they ever published the software or any papers on this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>we did a lot of research at Manchester University MVC;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sve.man.ac.uk/mvc" rel="nofollow">http://www.sve.man.ac.uk/mvc</a></p>
<p>I remember a project to create an interactive visualisation of a library using VRML 2.0 and Java. I am not sure if they ever published the software or any papers on this work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic Sayers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic Sayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anybody wants an entertaining introduction to visualising information and the pitfalls of skewed representations, they could do worse than get one of Edward Tufte&#039;s books out of the library. Particularly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_vdqi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Visual Display of Quantitive Information&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody wants an entertaining introduction to visualising information and the pitfalls of skewed representations, they could do worse than get one of Edward Tufte&#8217;s books out of the library. Particularly <a href="http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_vdqi" rel="nofollow">The Visual Display of Quantitive Information</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey JP, nice link, and &quot;earworm&quot; whilst I&#039;m excited by the prospect of greater visualizations, there&#039;s still no great metaphor to show and traverse a graph of relationships:
http://blog.whatfettle.com/2006/09/30/visualising-wikipedia/
unless you or your readers know different  ... goes of to hunt for that track ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey JP, nice link, and &#8220;earworm&#8221; whilst I&#8217;m excited by the prospect of greater visualizations, there&#8217;s still no great metaphor to show and traverse a graph of relationships:<br />
<a href="http://blog.whatfettle.com/2006/09/30/visualising-wikipedia/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.whatfettle.com/2006/09/30/visualising-wikipedia/</a><br />
unless you or your readers know different  &#8230; goes of to hunt for that track ..</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Brister</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/01/10/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-71608</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Brister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work at a University in their Visualisation Department. My primary focus was on the visualisation of complex multidimensional data. As part of my role I was required to teach students, lecturers and external organisations about visualisation techniques;

&quot;And Powerpoint, usually bad Powerpoint, rules over all. What makes the innumeracy unbearable is the fact that poor visualisation techniques are then used to propagate the lies.&quot;

This rings so true; the number of people who don&#039;t know how to produce simple diagrams is astounding; the use of Gee-Whiz curves is unforgivable and the lack of understaning about the importance of clear communication boggles the mind. (Management Consultants are the worst for this).

As you say PowerPoint has a great deal to answer for, as does the education system. Then there is also the lack of accessible and useful Visualisation Tools. Most people have to rely on simple two dimensional tools such as PowerPoint and Visio to try and communicate complex multidimensional ideas. Without the appropriate tools, it becomes harder for individuals to analyse and understand the data and therefore their ability to communicate its meaning.

When I worked for the University, I was spoiled. I had access to an array of super computers, visualisation clusters, complex software and was surrounded by people with brains the size of plannets. Now I too have to rely on PowerPoint and am probably as guilty as the rest for poor communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at a University in their Visualisation Department. My primary focus was on the visualisation of complex multidimensional data. As part of my role I was required to teach students, lecturers and external organisations about visualisation techniques;</p>
<p>&#8220;And Powerpoint, usually bad Powerpoint, rules over all. What makes the innumeracy unbearable is the fact that poor visualisation techniques are then used to propagate the lies.&#8221;</p>
<p>This rings so true; the number of people who don&#8217;t know how to produce simple diagrams is astounding; the use of Gee-Whiz curves is unforgivable and the lack of understaning about the importance of clear communication boggles the mind. (Management Consultants are the worst for this).</p>
<p>As you say PowerPoint has a great deal to answer for, as does the education system. Then there is also the lack of accessible and useful Visualisation Tools. Most people have to rely on simple two dimensional tools such as PowerPoint and Visio to try and communicate complex multidimensional ideas. Without the appropriate tools, it becomes harder for individuals to analyse and understand the data and therefore their ability to communicate its meaning.</p>
<p>When I worked for the University, I was spoiled. I had access to an array of super computers, visualisation clusters, complex software and was surrounded by people with brains the size of plannets. Now I too have to rely on PowerPoint and am probably as guilty as the rest for poor communication.</p>
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