Comments on: Uploading text http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/ a blog about information Mon, 06 Feb 2012 01:37:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JP http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/comment-page-1/#comment-132852 JP Wed, 16 May 2007 17:12:56 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/#comment-132852 Stephen, do you know of any good translations of Von Kleist's essay on gradually figuring out what you think while you are saying it? I think you referred me to it, but I can't find the link. [Bill, I'm sure the link was in a Stephen comment or on Rehearsal Studio.] Stephen, do you know of any good translations of Von Kleist’s essay on gradually figuring out what you think while you are saying it? I think you referred me to it, but I can’t find the link.

[Bill, I'm sure the link was in a Stephen comment or on Rehearsal Studio.]

]]> By: Stephen Smoliar http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/comment-page-1/#comment-132837 Stephen Smoliar Wed, 16 May 2007 16:08:40 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/#comment-132837 Both Jag and Balaji have made some interesting moves to advance the conversation that deserve further reflection. Jag's point about monitoring and control in "real life" is particularly apposite to JP's original position. This is as much a matter of corporate, as well as military, governance and with good reason. The corporate world also needs to be concerned about "threats to security," particularly when changes are happening at "Internet speed." The question of where the virtues of the two-way Web lie needs far more scrutiny than it has received thus far. Balaji's comment about changing culture is one the United States has experienced. One the one hand there was the renaming of the Department of War to the Department of Defense. For me this was a cultural advance. Unfortunately, the introduction of the Department of Homeland Security has set back that advance, perhaps further back than it had been when we had a Department of War! Regardless of how we dole our names, I suspect that anyone who has directly experienced war knows that there is nothing humane about it. Thus, anything that "humanifies" is counterproductive to the conduct of war. (Remember the story of the "grass-roots Christmas truce" during the First World War and the reaction of high command.) As to the future role of Generation M, I must confess to the cynical belief that I am not sure they give much thought to the service of ANY institution, whether it is their national government or the military arm of that government; as far as I can tell, they are still down there on the self-gratification level of Maslow's hierarchy! Both Jag and Balaji have made some interesting moves to advance the conversation that deserve further reflection.

Jag’s point about monitoring and control in “real life” is particularly apposite to JP’s original position. This is as much a matter of corporate, as well as military, governance and with good reason. The corporate world also needs to be concerned about “threats to security,” particularly when changes are happening at “Internet speed.” The question of where the virtues of the two-way Web lie needs far more scrutiny than it has received thus far.

Balaji’s comment about changing culture is one the United States has experienced. One the one hand there was the renaming of the Department of War to the Department of Defense. For me this was a cultural advance. Unfortunately, the introduction of the Department of Homeland Security has set back that advance, perhaps further back than it had been when we had a Department of War!

Regardless of how we dole our names, I suspect that anyone who has directly experienced war knows that there is nothing humane about it. Thus, anything that “humanifies” is counterproductive to the conduct of war. (Remember the story of the “grass-roots Christmas truce” during the First World War and the reaction of high command.)

As to the future role of Generation M, I must confess to the cynical belief that I am not sure they give much thought to the service of ANY institution, whether it is their national government or the military arm of that government; as far as I can tell, they are still down there on the self-gratification level of Maslow’s hierarchy!

]]> By: Balaji Sowmyanarayanan http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/comment-page-1/#comment-132655 Balaji Sowmyanarayanan Wed, 16 May 2007 03:49:52 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/#comment-132655 Interestingly, the gapingvoid widget in the sidebar shows "Stay ahead of the culture by creating the culture" In order to stay relevant the military needs to be "ahead" in multiple fronts and technology trends is one of them. Remember military needs *young* people - Gen M in the near future. On the one hand, a lot of lives are affected by the military, on the other military by its existance has underwritten a lot of Research and Development. The 2-way writable web humanifies. The relevance of military and the right balance rests on humanification. Interestingly, the gapingvoid widget in the sidebar shows “Stay ahead of the culture by creating the culture”

In order to stay relevant the military needs to be “ahead” in multiple fronts and technology trends is one of them. Remember military needs *young* people – Gen M in the near future.
On the one hand, a lot of lives are affected by the military, on the other military by its existance has underwritten a lot of Research and Development. The 2-way writable web humanifies. The relevance of military and the right balance rests on humanification.

]]> By: Jag http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/comment-page-1/#comment-132616 Jag Wed, 16 May 2007 01:06:54 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/#comment-132616 I am aligned to the fact that military <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/army_bloggers" rel="nofollow">changed policy</a> requires soldiers to have approval from their superiors for any blogs, photos, or E-mail correspondences that they send through their computers. I believe the military's "command and control" style is there for a reason and will get disturbed if a two-way communication is allowed and gets out of control. I think conversations that are monitored and controlled in real life by design will sooner or later receive the same fate in the internet once people in authority get present to that. It's a separate topic altogether if a "two-way", democratic way of military governance is the most effective way to manage the troops. Just a side note, it seems the bandwidth issues are genuine <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/blogs/news_blog/070515/dod_blocks_myspace_youtube_but.htm" rel="nofollow"> as this</a> report shows that these internet sites will not be blocked in larger bases that can have greater bandwidth. I am aligned to the fact that military changed
policy requires soldiers to have
approval from their superiors for any blogs, photos, or E-mail
correspondences that they send through their computers. I believe the
military’s “command and control” style is there for a reason and will
get disturbed if a two-way communication is allowed and
gets out of control. I think conversations that are monitored
and controlled in real life by design will sooner or later receive the same fate in the
internet once people in authority get present to that. It’s a separate topic altogether if a “two-way”, democratic way of military governance is the most effective way to manage the troops. Just a side
note, it seems the bandwidth issues are genuine

as this report shows that these internet sites will not be blocked in larger bases that can have greater bandwidth.

]]> By: Stephen Smoliar http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/comment-page-1/#comment-132487 Stephen Smoliar Tue, 15 May 2007 16:01:43 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/15/uploading-text/#comment-132487 JP, my only argument was with your posing "threat to security" as one of the "usual suspects" in an attack on "the enlightened group." My point was that it took the military a while to recognize that two-way nature of the Web. Once they DID recognize it, they reacted to their "enlightenment" by deciding that, in their particular situation, that two-way nature would be counterproductive. There are plenty of other situations in which a two-way Web could be valuable; but, in this particular (rare?) case, I agree with Defense Department policy that military engagement is not one of those situations. JP, my only argument was with your posing “threat to security” as one of the “usual suspects” in an attack on “the enlightened group.” My point was that it took the military a while to recognize that two-way nature of the Web. Once they DID recognize it, they reacted to their “enlightenment” by deciding that, in their particular situation, that two-way nature would be counterproductive. There are plenty of other situations in which a two-way Web could be valuable; but, in this particular (rare?) case, I agree with Defense Department policy that military engagement is not one of those situations.

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