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	<title>Comments on: Facebook and the Enterprise: Part 6: Musing about Role-driven Induction</title>
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		<title>By: Hiatus: A few words and a few Links re: articulation, organizational change, the GOP, the 1960s, mysterious and enticing doorways, and the vanishing wooden mosques of the eastern Balkans &#171; Hak Pak Sak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiatus: A few words and a few Links re: articulation, organizational change, the GOP, the 1960s, mysterious and enticing doorways, and the vanishing wooden mosques of the eastern Balkans &#171; Hak Pak Sak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my &#8220;core business&#8221; of articulation, communication, and change, look at this comment I posted some weeks ago on JP Rangaswami&#8217;s weblog Confused Of Calcutta and a worthy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Role of the manager in an agile enterprise &#171; The Dabbler&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Role of the manager in an agile enterprise &#171; The Dabbler&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been making an interesting and entertaining run of posts about Facebook and the Enterprise. The latest is focused on the idea of using a social networking platform like Facebook to inform a role-driven [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nic Brisbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Brisbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am kind of with Stephen here (I think).  My immediate thought on reading the post was that it is somehow the ad hoc nature of interaction that is captured on FB which makes it valuable.   That implies noting what someone has done and asking the next person in their job to do the same thing might result in people having the right lists of friends and attending the right meetings, but still not being effective.  I.e. the communication moves from happening because it was useful and starts happening because it is supposed to.  That is the risk anyway - which leaves me thinking it is all about how you use the information you pull out (which would be useful data).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am kind of with Stephen here (I think).  My immediate thought on reading the post was that it is somehow the ad hoc nature of interaction that is captured on FB which makes it valuable.   That implies noting what someone has done and asking the next person in their job to do the same thing might result in people having the right lists of friends and attending the right meetings, but still not being effective.  I.e. the communication moves from happening because it was useful and starts happening because it is supposed to.  That is the risk anyway &#8211; which leaves me thinking it is all about how you use the information you pull out (which would be useful data).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smoliar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP, what is more interesting is that you seem to have forgotten my most recent post on why Cluetrain only addresses the &quot;surface structure&quot; of communication, while all the &quot;action&quot; takes place at the &quot;deep structure!&quot;  On the basis of some of the phraseology in your text at the time (last July), I am pretty sure you saw it.  The URL is (still):

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/07/semiotic-ignorance.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP, what is more interesting is that you seem to have forgotten my most recent post on why Cluetrain only addresses the &#8220;surface structure&#8221; of communication, while all the &#8220;action&#8221; takes place at the &#8220;deep structure!&#8221;  On the basis of some of the phraseology in your text at the time (last July), I am pretty sure you saw it.  The URL is (still):</p>
<p><a href="http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/07/semiotic-ignorance.html" rel="nofollow">http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/07/semiotic-ignorance.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you major on communications and yet hate cluetrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you major on communications and yet hate cluetrain</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smoliar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP, to be more specific, what I think you do not &quot;get&quot; is that &quot;the pattern description and transfer process&quot; (in all its verb-based processual glory) is the core competence behind all those &quot;real performance aspects&quot; you enumerated.  The kind of simplification you invoke reflects back on the danger of sacrificing effectiveness for efficiency, one of the key points made by Keen and Scott Morton in the pioneering work on decision support systems.  The axiom I have tried to develop is that the effectiveness of the enterprise rises or falls on the basis of the effectiveness of the communicative actions invoked by the members of that enterprise for both internal and external engagements.  The enterprise that taps into achieving effective communicative actions will discover that issues such as &quot;knowledge management&quot; (not to mention your &quot;four pillars&quot;) will then take care of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP, to be more specific, what I think you do not &#8220;get&#8221; is that &#8220;the pattern description and transfer process&#8221; (in all its verb-based processual glory) is the core competence behind all those &#8220;real performance aspects&#8221; you enumerated.  The kind of simplification you invoke reflects back on the danger of sacrificing effectiveness for efficiency, one of the key points made by Keen and Scott Morton in the pioneering work on decision support systems.  The axiom I have tried to develop is that the effectiveness of the enterprise rises or falls on the basis of the effectiveness of the communicative actions invoked by the members of that enterprise for both internal and external engagements.  The enterprise that taps into achieving effective communicative actions will discover that issues such as &#8220;knowledge management&#8221; (not to mention your &#8220;four pillars&#8221;) will then take care of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen:

You&#039;re right, I don&#039;t get it :-)

Capturing the patterns of what people actually do (rather than what they think they do) is something I believe is really important. Don&#039;t get misled by the lists, you seem to go into a tizzy whenever you see a list of nouns. Maybe I should have been more overtly ironic. The lists themselves are hygiene factors, necessary but not sufficient to form the basis for improved performance.

Being able to articulate those patterns (patterns of doing, remember) is, in my opinion, a sensible way of training people into the roles they have to perform.

If I can simplify the pattern description and transfer process, then I can spend time on the real performance aspects, which have to do with management and communications styles, attitude to teamwork, attitude to collaboration, ability to deal with conflict, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t get it :-)</p>
<p>Capturing the patterns of what people actually do (rather than what they think they do) is something I believe is really important. Don&#8217;t get misled by the lists, you seem to go into a tizzy whenever you see a list of nouns. Maybe I should have been more overtly ironic. The lists themselves are hygiene factors, necessary but not sufficient to form the basis for improved performance.</p>
<p>Being able to articulate those patterns (patterns of doing, remember) is, in my opinion, a sensible way of training people into the roles they have to perform.</p>
<p>If I can simplify the pattern description and transfer process, then I can spend time on the real performance aspects, which have to do with management and communications styles, attitude to teamwork, attitude to collaboration, ability to deal with conflict, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smoliar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Smoliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I think you have tapped into one of the more profound truths about the nature of knowledge, not just in the workplace but in everyday life.  I tried to illustrate this truth in a diagram that I reproduced for one of my old Yahoo! 360 blog entries:

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Mff23hgidqmHGqbcv.lfskakEtS6qLVHUEMFUG4-?cq=1&amp;p=69

My work on that diagram grew out of Nonaka&#039;s misconceived &quot;definition&quot; of &quot;knowldge&quot; as &quot;justified true belief,&quot; which he attributed to Plato.  Reading the THEATETUS for myself, I discovered that Plato had Socrates dismiss this definition as entirely bogus, along with three other attempted definitions.

However, while one gets to the end of Plato&#039;s text without a definition of knowledge, one has learned that the concept of knowledge is tightly coupled to at least three other equally fundamental concepts:  memory, being, and description (which may be a poor translation of the Greek Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¿Ï‚).  I see that final concept of Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¿Ï‚ as the more general capacity that lies behind what you wrote about articulation, and I further see it as another one of those skills that has fallen by the wayside in our current approaches to education.

I find it equally profound that you take a process-based approach to such articulation.  Another lesson from Plato is that, given all the flux in the world (a pre-Socratic insight), the ACT OF DESCRIBING is more important than any resulting DESCRIPTION, which, while more concrete is also more temporary.  I have tried many times to raise this distinction on this blog, as JP himself has observed:

http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/27/musing-about-nouns-and-verbs/

Unfortunately, on the basis of his above text, he still does not seem to get it.  Enterprise work is not about making a whole slew of structures (lists) about people more manageable;  it is about making the processes of ENGAGEMENT more effective.  If technology can facilitate those processes, so much the better;  but the success of the enterprise will still come down to the day-to-day practices of all those who work there.  I see your approach to articulation as a healthy contribution to those practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I think you have tapped into one of the more profound truths about the nature of knowledge, not just in the workplace but in everyday life.  I tried to illustrate this truth in a diagram that I reproduced for one of my old Yahoo! 360 blog entries:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Mff23hgidqmHGqbcv.lfskakEtS6qLVHUEMFUG4-?cq=1&amp;p=69" rel="nofollow">http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Mff23hgidqmHGqbcv.lfskakEtS6qLVHUEMFUG4-?cq=1&amp;p=69</a></p>
<p>My work on that diagram grew out of Nonaka&#8217;s misconceived &#8220;definition&#8221; of &#8220;knowldge&#8221; as &#8220;justified true belief,&#8221; which he attributed to Plato.  Reading the THEATETUS for myself, I discovered that Plato had Socrates dismiss this definition as entirely bogus, along with three other attempted definitions.</p>
<p>However, while one gets to the end of Plato&#8217;s text without a definition of knowledge, one has learned that the concept of knowledge is tightly coupled to at least three other equally fundamental concepts:  memory, being, and description (which may be a poor translation of the Greek Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¿Ï‚).  I see that final concept of Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¿Ï‚ as the more general capacity that lies behind what you wrote about articulation, and I further see it as another one of those skills that has fallen by the wayside in our current approaches to education.</p>
<p>I find it equally profound that you take a process-based approach to such articulation.  Another lesson from Plato is that, given all the flux in the world (a pre-Socratic insight), the ACT OF DESCRIBING is more important than any resulting DESCRIPTION, which, while more concrete is also more temporary.  I have tried many times to raise this distinction on this blog, as JP himself has observed:</p>
<p><a href="http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/27/musing-about-nouns-and-verbs/" rel="nofollow">http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2007/05/27/musing-about-nouns-and-verbs/</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, on the basis of his above text, he still does not seem to get it.  Enterprise work is not about making a whole slew of structures (lists) about people more manageable;  it is about making the processes of ENGAGEMENT more effective.  If technology can facilitate those processes, so much the better;  but the success of the enterprise will still come down to the day-to-day practices of all those who work there.  I see your approach to articulation as a healthy contribution to those practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Ruiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Ruiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JP,

I recently watched the Walt Disney picture Ratatouille, where a famous chef said: Anyone can be a great chef. At the romantic end, there is an explanation of this quote: Not a anyone can be a chef, but a great chef can come from any place given the right opportunities.   This is what I believe when it comes to a great leader.

Mario Ruiz 
@ http://www.oursheet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JP,</p>
<p>I recently watched the Walt Disney picture Ratatouille, where a famous chef said: Anyone can be a great chef. At the romantic end, there is an explanation of this quote: Not a anyone can be a chef, but a great chef can come from any place given the right opportunities.   This is what I believe when it comes to a great leader.</p>
<p>Mario Ruiz<br />
@ <a href="http://www.oursheet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.oursheet.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP. Articulation is indeed  the key.  For years, I marketed my &quot;core business&quot; as ... Articulation. Often, companies and institutions would hire me in to write &quot;a page or two of text&quot; and within days I would find myself a stand-in for directors of organizations frozen in the midst of change or projects stalled part way through.  The solution was to articulate where one stood and was going and why and how.  Articulation also provided a test of the assumptions behind strategy and policy and provided the basis for proper implementation of processes through effective &quot;service level agreements&quot; which is nothing more than folks talking about what they need from each other to get the job done.  Thus articulation (+listening+a smile+a word of thanks ... which make people feel good about what they do) sets organizations alive in the right way. Your post helps me articulate this! Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP. Articulation is indeed  the key.  For years, I marketed my &#8220;core business&#8221; as &#8230; Articulation. Often, companies and institutions would hire me in to write &#8220;a page or two of text&#8221; and within days I would find myself a stand-in for directors of organizations frozen in the midst of change or projects stalled part way through.  The solution was to articulate where one stood and was going and why and how.  Articulation also provided a test of the assumptions behind strategy and policy and provided the basis for proper implementation of processes through effective &#8220;service level agreements&#8221; which is nothing more than folks talking about what they need from each other to get the job done.  Thus articulation (+listening+a smile+a word of thanks &#8230; which make people feel good about what they do) sets organizations alive in the right way. Your post helps me articulate this! Steve</p>
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