Comments on: Information Ownership in an Information Economy: A sideways look http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/ a blog about information Mon, 06 Feb 2012 01:37:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Trust and information sharing « Geeks and Shrinks http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-334163 Trust and information sharing « Geeks and Shrinks Tue, 06 May 2008 17:09:01 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-334163 [...] — Tags: Branding, list rental, privacy, reputation, trust — rvenkate @ 12:09 pm JP wrote about trust a short while ago, from the perspective of transmission of information, particularly when the ownership aspect [...] [...] — Tags: Branding, list rental, privacy, reputation, trust — rvenkate @ 12:09 pm JP wrote about trust a short while ago, from the perspective of transmission of information, particularly when the ownership aspect [...]

]]> By: Trust, OpenID, VRM, Data Portablity and how does it hang together? « Is this Future Shock? http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-257712 Trust, OpenID, VRM, Data Portablity and how does it hang together? « Is this Future Shock? Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:04:36 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-257712 [...] became interested in VRM following some posts by JP, whose other posts on ownership of information have exercised me a [...] [...] became interested in VRM following some posts by JP, whose other posts on ownership of information have exercised me a [...]

]]> By: Tommi Vilkamo http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-257457 Tommi Vilkamo Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:23:48 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-257457 Really good thinking. However, after reading this post by Mark Earls about how the language you use affects your thinking: http://herd.typepad.com/herd_the_hidden_truth_abo/2008/01/a-language-prob.html ...I started thinking how much of the analogy "Information is going to be like money" comes from your background from banking industry? As an outsider, I see more differences than similarities between money and info. As an obvious example, if you give somebody money, you lose it; but if you give somebody information (either for limited use or full use), you can still keep it. Especially for info that is in your head (not in some database), it's very difficult to get rid of it perdectly. I believe information can't be "owned". This is just language limiting our thinking. The most you can hope to do, I think, is to manage the access to it in a responsible way. Just like the way you started this post - please continue this thread of thought from there! (I think you are onto something big here) Really good thinking. However, after reading this post by Mark Earls about how the language you use affects your thinking:
http://herd.typepad.com/herd_the_hidden_truth_abo/2008/01/a-language-prob.html

…I started thinking how much of the analogy “Information is going to be like money” comes from your background from banking industry? As an outsider, I see more differences than similarities between money and info. As an obvious example, if you give somebody money, you lose it; but if you give somebody information (either for limited use or full use), you can still keep it. Especially for info that is in your head (not in some database), it’s very difficult to get rid of it perdectly.

I believe information can’t be “owned”. This is just language limiting our thinking. The most you can hope to do, I think, is to manage the access to it in a responsible way. Just like the way you started this post – please continue this thread of thought from there! (I think you are onto something big here)

]]> By: Aehso’s Output » VRM, APML and DataPortability.org http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256985 Aehso’s Output » VRM, APML and DataPortability.org Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:33:35 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256985 [...] it is credible to attempt to specify how to safely distribute and share attention data (which has privacy and trust issues written all over it) using a simple annotated schema document and a php-based example parser [...] [...] it is credible to attempt to specify how to safely distribute and share attention data (which has privacy and trust issues written all over it) using a simple annotated schema document and a php-based example parser [...]

]]> By: More on the Privacy-Portability conundrum « Vendorprisey http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256660 More on the Privacy-Portability conundrum « Vendorprisey Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:23:29 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256660 [...] business cards.  It goes a whole lot deeper. If you have a moment, head over and read what JP had to say. a couple of weeks ago. I am responsible for the contact information I hold. I am accountable for [...] [...] business cards.  It goes a whole lot deeper. If you have a moment, head over and read what JP had to say. a couple of weeks ago. I am responsible for the contact information I hold. I am accountable for [...]

]]> By: Thomas Otter http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256655 Thomas Otter Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:04:48 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256655 Hello JP. came upon this from Sun's chief Privacy person. http://blogs.sun.com/suncpo/entry/respect_all_trust_1_0 may interest. Hello JP.
came upon this from Sun’s chief Privacy person.
http://blogs.sun.com/suncpo/entry/respect_all_trust_1_0
may interest.

]]> By: joeandrieu.com » Blog Archive » The VRM Vector http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256326 joeandrieu.com » Blog Archive » The VRM Vector Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:16:45 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256326 [...] in his post VRM, APML, and Semantics. I have been doing quite a lot or reading like JP Rangaswami post on data portability among various [...] [...] in his post VRM, APML, and Semantics. I have been doing quite a lot or reading like JP Rangaswami post on data portability among various [...]

]]> By: Clunky Flow » Solving the hard problems of identity and trust http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256265 Clunky Flow » Solving the hard problems of identity and trust Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:37:23 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256265 [...] the banking system to the problems of identity and trust in the information economy over at his confusedofcalcutta blog. Using those thoughts as a starting point, the following is a riff that just got way too long [...] [...] the banking system to the problems of identity and trust in the information economy over at his confusedofcalcutta blog. Using those thoughts as a starting point, the following is a riff that just got way too long [...]

]]> By: Chris http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256050 Chris Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:43:07 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256050 One of the comments to Ed's posting brought me back to the concept of a Limited Liability Persona (LLP). I think this is an approach that rather than engaging with the complexities of managing the issue at hand, instead seeks to minime the damage surface area that we encounter if we assume that the trust issues remain as unsolved as they are today. It cures the symptoms rather than the disease. Another hat tip to Charles Stross as I think he explored this approach in Accelerando some time before anybody came along and slapped the LLP label on it. One of the comments to Ed’s posting brought me back to the concept of a Limited Liability Persona (LLP). I think this is an approach that rather than engaging with the complexities of managing the issue at hand, instead seeks to minime the damage surface area that we encounter if we assume that the trust issues remain as unsolved as they are today. It cures the symptoms rather than the disease.

Another hat tip to Charles Stross as I think he explored this approach in Accelerando some time before anybody came along and slapped the LLP label on it.

]]> By: Chris http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/comment-page-1/#comment-256047 Chris Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:29:52 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/04/information-ownership-in-an-information-economy-a-sideways-look/#comment-256047 The title may be 'ownership', but the dialogue is about 'accountability' (or should that be responsibility). Ed Felton approaches the same issue from the persective of 'rights' (http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1246), but I feel that his road ends at the same place as JP's - with questions of trust. Banks (or at least models based on banking) do I feel have something to contribute to the debate here, because their business is trust. Telcos also have something to contribute here since trust is an invisible foundation of their business model. Balaji is right however that we should be cautious in using scarcity economics models in this land of plenty. The concept of currency is I feel too closely coupled to the concept of ownership, and haven't we already established that this debate isn't actually about ownership but about the complexities of transitive trust and federation? If we are going to borrow from banking then I think we need to examine the social aspects of how they create and build on trust anchors rather than how they facilitate capital management. The title may be ‘ownership’, but the dialogue is about ‘accountability’ (or should that be responsibility). Ed Felton approaches the same issue from the persective of ‘rights’ (http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1246), but I feel that his road ends at the same place as JP’s – with questions of trust.

Banks (or at least models based on banking) do I feel have something to contribute to the debate here, because their business is trust. Telcos also have something to contribute here since trust is an invisible foundation of their business model.

Balaji is right however that we should be cautious in using scarcity economics models in this land of plenty. The concept of currency is I feel too closely coupled to the concept of ownership, and haven’t we already established that this debate isn’t actually about ownership but about the complexities of transitive trust and federation?

If we are going to borrow from banking then I think we need to examine the social aspects of how they create and build on trust anchors rather than how they facilitate capital management.

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