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		<title>By: Blog Post: Some thinking about Dunbar numbers &#124; Fourmation</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-729622</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Post: Some thinking about Dunbar numbers &#124; Fourmation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dunbar number in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dunbar number in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Some thinking about Dunbar numbers &#171; Fourmation &#8211; Transformative Business Design</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-600279</link>
		<dc:creator>Some thinking about Dunbar numbers &#171; Fourmation &#8211; Transformative Business Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dubar number in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dubar number in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CPH127 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some thinking about Dunbar numbers</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-259769</link>
		<dc:creator>CPH127 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some thinking about Dunbar numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dubar numer in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JP Rangaswami has some thoughts on the individuals capacity creating and maintaining relationships. He has a rant on the new Dubar numer in the digital world where social networks setup new premisses for interactions and relationships. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-259317</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for the tip. I will contact Jouko. Rgds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for the tip. I will contact Jouko. Rgds</p>
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		<title>By: david cushman</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-259275</link>
		<dc:creator>david cushman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,  you mention &#039;weak interactions&#039;. I think this is similar to the light social contacts that the guys at xtract.fi drive at with their concept of the alpha user - the person in a social group who has most light social contacts - ie the most viral person. Might be worth you chatting with Jouko Ahveneinen there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,  you mention &#8216;weak interactions&#8217;. I think this is similar to the light social contacts that the guys at xtract.fi drive at with their concept of the alpha user &#8211; the person in a social group who has most light social contacts &#8211; ie the most viral person. Might be worth you chatting with Jouko Ahveneinen there?</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic Sayers</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-259202</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic Sayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see Stephen Fry&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://stephenfry.com/blog/?p=34&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest Guardian column&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;What an irony! For what is this much-trumpeted social networking but an escape back into that world of the closed online service of 15 or 20 years ago?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d pay (a small sum) to listen to a conversation between you and him about identity ownership and social software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see Stephen Fry&#8217;s <a href="http://stephenfry.com/blog/?p=34" rel="nofollow">latest Guardian column</a>?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;What an irony! For what is this much-trumpeted social networking but an escape back into that world of the closed online service of 15 or 20 years ago?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d pay (a small sum) to listen to a conversation between you and him about identity ownership and social software.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Mayfield</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-259029</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Mayfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dunbar number is actually an absolute for someone at a moment in time.  Our cognitive capacity can be augmented by the ability to discover or rediscover a tie, while letting another one implicitly disappear into the background, waiting to be rediscovered.  We now have more ways of refreshing the cache, and making weak ties efficiently stronger when they should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dunbar number is actually an absolute for someone at a moment in time.  Our cognitive capacity can be augmented by the ability to discover or rediscover a tie, while letting another one implicitly disappear into the background, waiting to be rediscovered.  We now have more ways of refreshing the cache, and making weak ties efficiently stronger when they should be.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dodds</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/12/thinking-more-about-digital-dunbar-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-258895</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the travel cost parameter is possibly a red herring.

Many of my online friendships have moved offline when they have been with people who live in this country. While this has also applied to international friendships in some cases, that does not mean that those that have not been consumated face to face are any less strong. 

Digital communication has enhanced and crucially speeded up the non face to face contact. Pre digital &quot;pen-friends&quot; were far more tenuous and less enduring than their digital equivalents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the travel cost parameter is possibly a red herring.</p>
<p>Many of my online friendships have moved offline when they have been with people who live in this country. While this has also applied to international friendships in some cases, that does not mean that those that have not been consumated face to face are any less strong. </p>
<p>Digital communication has enhanced and crucially speeded up the non face to face contact. Pre digital &#8220;pen-friends&#8221; were far more tenuous and less enduring than their digital equivalents.</p>
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		<title>By: FND</title>
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		<dc:creator>FND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Nate.

However, it&#039;s not just time constraints, it&#039;s also a matter of cognitive limits; if you have 300+ &quot;online friends&quot; (or &quot;buddies&quot;), can you really relate to each and every one of them like you do with, say, your fellow students, colleagues, neighbors, and real-world friends? (Recalling a conversation by looking up a chat log doesn&#039;t count... )
I think what&#039;s usually missing in the online world are actual shared experiences - be it a school trip, a business project, a party, or simply casual encounters on the garden fence. This usually helps establish a unique identity for the respective person in the mind. (Collaborating online - e.g. on an open-source project coordinated via mailing lists - can provide some of those aspects, but not the whole range.)

Of course there&#039;s also convergence (e.g. people meeting in real life eventually), so it&#039;s not a black-and-white issue. Also, modern facilities like e-mail, IM, Facebook or Twitter definitely do make it easier to keep in touch. But they cannot overcome our inherent cognitive limits.

Just my two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Nate.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not just time constraints, it&#8217;s also a matter of cognitive limits; if you have 300+ &#8220;online friends&#8221; (or &#8220;buddies&#8221;), can you really relate to each and every one of them like you do with, say, your fellow students, colleagues, neighbors, and real-world friends? (Recalling a conversation by looking up a chat log doesn&#8217;t count&#8230; )<br />
I think what&#8217;s usually missing in the online world are actual shared experiences &#8211; be it a school trip, a business project, a party, or simply casual encounters on the garden fence. This usually helps establish a unique identity for the respective person in the mind. (Collaborating online &#8211; e.g. on an open-source project coordinated via mailing lists &#8211; can provide some of those aspects, but not the whole range.)</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s also convergence (e.g. people meeting in real life eventually), so it&#8217;s not a black-and-white issue. Also, modern facilities like e-mail, IM, Facebook or Twitter definitely do make it easier to keep in touch. But they cannot overcome our inherent cognitive limits.</p>
<p>Just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the comments coming; while I originally thought the phenomenon was to do with the different transaction costs, I think I failed to do justice to some of the points that Nicole and Phil bring up, the interplay between online and offline lives. Thanks for helping me think more about it. More to follow, probably write a post in a day or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the comments coming; while I originally thought the phenomenon was to do with the different transaction costs, I think I failed to do justice to some of the points that Nicole and Phil bring up, the interplay between online and offline lives. Thanks for helping me think more about it. More to follow, probably write a post in a day or two.</p>
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