Comments on: “Communal” data and trust http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/ a blog about information Mon, 06 Feb 2012 01:37:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thomas Otter http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-263276 Thomas Otter Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:46:10 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-263276 Indeed. It would be sad if the only route to portability was to jettison control over one's information. I've been pondering this since 1998 and I'm still nowhere near an answer. I like the idea of communal data, but it sits awkwardly in today's corporatist world. Trust is a biggie, as is context. Data stripped from its original context is profoundly dangerous. Judging by your reading list, you have probably read this, http://www.amazon.com/Rumpole-Reign-Terror-Novels/dp/0670038040 If not, I think you will enjoy it. Indeed. It would be sad if the only route to portability was to jettison control over one’s information.

I’ve been pondering this since 1998 and I’m still nowhere near an answer. I like the idea of communal data, but it sits awkwardly in today’s corporatist world.

Trust is a biggie, as is context. Data stripped from its original context is profoundly dangerous.

Judging by your reading list, you have probably read this, http://www.amazon.com/Rumpole-Reign-Terror-Novels/dp/0670038040

If not, I think you will enjoy it.

]]> By: JP http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-263261 JP Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:04:16 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-263261 Bart, I will check. Strangely enough I am in Munich right now. Bart, I will check. Strangely enough I am in Munich right now.

]]> By: Bart Stevens http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-263260 Bart Stevens Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:00:34 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-263260 JP, Sorry to bother you via this route. But I send you an email on a ID conference in Munich in April. Could you give me a ping on that one? Bart JP,

Sorry to bother you via this route. But I send you an email on a ID conference in Munich in April.
Could you give me a ping on that one?

Bart

]]> By: spatially relevant » Blog Archive » From the stream: Transactional Identity and Communal Data http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-262910 spatially relevant » Blog Archive » From the stream: Transactional Identity and Communal Data Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:33:54 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-262910 [...] got to thinking about a link from Chris Brogan via Twitter. The link had a very interesting post on communal data and trust. Which got me to thinking about ownership, the right to assign and what owning an [...] [...] got to thinking about a link from Chris Brogan via Twitter. The link had a very interesting post on communal data and trust. Which got me to thinking about ownership, the right to assign and what owning an [...]

]]> By: Ross Hill http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-262693 Ross Hill Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:39:23 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-262693 I think it is pretty clear that privacy options are becoming more important - but just the other day I clicked the privacy link on Facebook and there are so many sliders it is easy to get lost. Myspace on the other hand afaik just has a public OR private option which is much simpler for your average user. The promise of the internet is the network and it seems that many startups have succeeded because they share your data by default (eg flickr, when everyone else was hiding your photos) - are we going backwards or forwards by hiding it again? I think it is pretty clear that privacy options are becoming more important – but just the other day I clicked the privacy link on Facebook and there are so many sliders it is easy to get lost. Myspace on the other hand afaik just has a public OR private option which is much simpler for your average user.

The promise of the internet is the network and it seems that many startups have succeeded because they share your data by default (eg flickr, when everyone else was hiding your photos) – are we going backwards or forwards by hiding it again?

]]> By: Chris Brogan... http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-262680 Chris Brogan... Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:57:47 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-262680 There are two ways (immediately) that I see this being a key issue (first raised <a href="http://chrisbrogan.com/have-the-data-wars-begun/" rel="nofollow">here</a>): first, if I give a system my data, I've made a choice that this system is trustworthy (enough) to support my reason for being there. However, if someone ON that system, by nature of social computing, now has access to this data and ports it elsewhere to a third party system without my consent, then my data is now elsewhere without my express consent. Second, lots of places where I've put my data build metadata on top of it. The metadata itself becomes the value prop. My <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/chrisbrogan" rel="nofollow">LinkedIN profile</a> isn't just a digital resume. There are dozens of recommendations, building a reputation engine (what I believe is LinkedINs #1 asset, by the way). If I wander away from LinkedIN, who owns THAT data? I'd say they do, and yet, it's data built on top of mine, and probably has very little value without me. And the more I pick at this in my mind, the more it feels like peeling some wallpaper off a wall, only to find the moldy crumbling plaster, and below that, the rotten stud boards. There's a long way to go towards happy-go-lucky "free" data. There are two ways (immediately) that I see this being a key issue (first raised here): first, if I give a system my data, I’ve made a choice that this system is trustworthy (enough) to support my reason for being there. However, if someone ON that system, by nature of social computing, now has access to this data and ports it elsewhere to a third party system without my consent, then my data is now elsewhere without my express consent.

Second, lots of places where I’ve put my data build metadata on top of it. The metadata itself becomes the value prop. My LinkedIN profile isn’t just a digital resume. There are dozens of recommendations, building a reputation engine (what I believe is LinkedINs #1 asset, by the way). If I wander away from LinkedIN, who owns THAT data? I’d say they do, and yet, it’s data built on top of mine, and probably has very little value without me.

And the more I pick at this in my mind, the more it feels like peeling some wallpaper off a wall, only to find the moldy crumbling plaster, and below that, the rotten stud boards.

There’s a long way to go towards happy-go-lucky “free” data.

]]> By: Ric http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-262667 Ric Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:25:41 +0000 http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/01/20/communal-data-and-trust/#comment-262667 I think we will have to be more explicit in allowing others to on-share our data - I need to tell you what data you have about me I am comfortable with you sharing further and what data you have about me that I want you to keep to yourself. I think it's the only way it can work ... but the onus is on me, not you. In the absence of explicit approval (or otherwise), how do you tell the difference? I think we will have to be more explicit in allowing others to on-share our data – I need to tell you what data you have about me I am comfortable with you sharing further and what data you have about me that I want you to keep to yourself. I think it’s the only way it can work … but the onus is on me, not you. In the absence of explicit approval (or otherwise), how do you tell the difference?

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