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		<title>By: Beryl Veeneman</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-642445</link>
		<dc:creator>Beryl Veeneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this considerate and intigueing post. I&#039;ll definitely keep these facts in mind to feed my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this considerate and intigueing post. I&#8217;ll definitely keep these facts in mind to feed my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;They can learn to listen&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-355156</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;They can learn to listen&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month ago I wrote a long post about collaboration, and in it I said: Collaboration takes place when you do what you are good at, and when you let [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-352004</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,
I&#039;ve thought a lot about the various technological revolutions, but the collaboration aspect is a new perspective for me.  

The fundamental difference between the information revolution and the previous ones is that it deals with invisibles/intangibles - software being an obvious, easy example.  I think this invisibility brings a strong degree of uncertainty about where the boundaries of specialisation are - both in the team dynamic and in the continuum of knowledge worker evolution.

Where collaboration works is where the goal is clear, or at least where the &#039;production cycle&#039; of knowledge is clear, such that there is no visible downside to sharing knowledge.  Fundamentally, it&#039;s about relationships: which is (stereo)typically a subject that the most powerful knowledge workers know least about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,<br />
I&#8217;ve thought a lot about the various technological revolutions, but the collaboration aspect is a new perspective for me.  </p>
<p>The fundamental difference between the information revolution and the previous ones is that it deals with invisibles/intangibles &#8211; software being an obvious, easy example.  I think this invisibility brings a strong degree of uncertainty about where the boundaries of specialisation are &#8211; both in the team dynamic and in the continuum of knowledge worker evolution.</p>
<p>Where collaboration works is where the goal is clear, or at least where the &#8216;production cycle&#8217; of knowledge is clear, such that there is no visible downside to sharing knowledge.  Fundamentally, it&#8217;s about relationships: which is (stereo)typically a subject that the most powerful knowledge workers know least about.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Budden</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-346741</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Budden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 14:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I totally disagree with you. In my experience collaboration, division of labour and respect for the abilities of others is almost universal among knowledge workers. I submit the fact that the &quot;Information Revolution&quot;, as you call it, has actually occurred as evidence that there has been large amounts of collaboration and knowledge sharing. Most of the achievements of the Information Revolution would simply not have been possible otherwise.

I remember, about 20 years ago, joking with my then boss about &quot;7-year-old football&quot;. He asked me what I meant and I replied: &quot;Haven&#039;t you seen seven-year-olds play football? They all run around in a big pack surrounding the ball.&quot; Somewhere between the ages of seven and ten children learn that football is much more fun (and they win more) if they specialize and collaborate.

Now there are some knowledge &quot;teams&quot; that play seven-year-old football, but, in my experience they are few and far between  (I say &quot;teams&quot; because it&#039;s arguable if you can even call such a group of people a team). They are also short-lived, because they tend to get beaten or replaced by real teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I totally disagree with you. In my experience collaboration, division of labour and respect for the abilities of others is almost universal among knowledge workers. I submit the fact that the &#8220;Information Revolution&#8221;, as you call it, has actually occurred as evidence that there has been large amounts of collaboration and knowledge sharing. Most of the achievements of the Information Revolution would simply not have been possible otherwise.</p>
<p>I remember, about 20 years ago, joking with my then boss about &#8220;7-year-old football&#8221;. He asked me what I meant and I replied: &#8220;Haven&#8217;t you seen seven-year-olds play football? They all run around in a big pack surrounding the ball.&#8221; Somewhere between the ages of seven and ten children learn that football is much more fun (and they win more) if they specialize and collaborate.</p>
<p>Now there are some knowledge &#8220;teams&#8221; that play seven-year-old football, but, in my experience they are few and far between  (I say &#8220;teams&#8221; because it&#8217;s arguable if you can even call such a group of people a team). They are also short-lived, because they tend to get beaten or replaced by real teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Asheet (AM)</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-346435</link>
		<dc:creator>Asheet (AM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Shivanand puts it well, the article has some good thought-provoking points which &#039;rattle the mind&#039;. And I would not agree any lesser with Yves that knowledge workers, for true collaboration, should share their ignorance and shortcomings.....which is where the collobration breaks at times. As is our nature, mostly we are not inclined to be an open book and share our weaker points, ask for information which we are already expected to possess, etc. When the knowledge workers in the collborative network do nothing more than share only what they think they know better, which incidentally could be what others too think they know well, there is a fatigue in the collaborative activities since no new information / creativity is being added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Shivanand puts it well, the article has some good thought-provoking points which &#8216;rattle the mind&#8217;. And I would not agree any lesser with Yves that knowledge workers, for true collaboration, should share their ignorance and shortcomings&#8230;..which is where the collobration breaks at times. As is our nature, mostly we are not inclined to be an open book and share our weaker points, ask for information which we are already expected to possess, etc. When the knowledge workers in the collborative network do nothing more than share only what they think they know better, which incidentally could be what others too think they know well, there is a fatigue in the collaborative activities since no new information / creativity is being added.</p>
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		<title>By: Earth2</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-344707</link>
		<dc:creator>Earth2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan makes good points.
But think of the collaborators motivation...
Why do people collaborate?
A\ Fear of the thing (unconfirmable but specific is best) that drives the statement &quot;drop everything for a year&quot; ?
B\ Respect for Dan as a &quot;good guy&quot; and embodiment of a worthy cause ?
C\ they have been ready &amp; waiting to do this thing for ages ?
Answer: 90% A; 9.9% B; 0.1% C
I was being generous on B.

And to another point: you must have something  singular (idea/person/thing) to collaborate with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan makes good points.<br />
But think of the collaborators motivation&#8230;<br />
Why do people collaborate?<br />
A\ Fear of the thing (unconfirmable but specific is best) that drives the statement &#8220;drop everything for a year&#8221; ?<br />
B\ Respect for Dan as a &#8220;good guy&#8221; and embodiment of a worthy cause ?<br />
C\ they have been ready &amp; waiting to do this thing for ages ?<br />
Answer: 90% A; 9.9% B; 0.1% C<br />
I was being generous on B.</p>
<p>And to another point: you must have something  singular (idea/person/thing) to collaborate with.</p>
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		<title>By: Earth2</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-344696</link>
		<dc:creator>Earth2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why collaborate ?
Collaboration is borne of motivation.
WWII gives us an atomic example of this.
We will only collaborate when needs must.
What is the dictionary defintion of  Collaboration again ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why collaborate ?<br />
Collaboration is borne of motivation.<br />
WWII gives us an atomic example of this.<br />
We will only collaborate when needs must.<br />
What is the dictionary defintion of  Collaboration again ?</p>
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		<title>By: Collaboration in the information revolution &#124; CertainShops: Resource for Professional Articles</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-339566</link>
		<dc:creator>Collaboration in the information revolution &#124; CertainShops: Resource for Professional Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] following are my comments posted on Thinking About Collaboration, which talks about how collaboration fueled the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions - but seems [...]</description>
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		<title>By: suzymiller</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-338586</link>
		<dc:creator>suzymiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is timely for me to read this blog as I am being encouraged by a man I have never met via Skype to take my new brand and make it global - not in a monetizing franchising way, but as a collaborative effort.  His vision is to allow people in other countries (he is in South Africa) to share the experience he and I gain from putting on our individual events focused on people starting over (divorce, bereavement etc).

On the one hand I find myself trying to decide when to invest in patenting a new brand that has not yet even experienced the test of it&#039;s first event, and on the other hand, keen to create a collaborative platform via a shared website to support others who want to do their own versions of the show, but within a kind of consistent framework (like with franchising).

But without trademarking and without the discipline and clear consequences (removing the right to benefit from &#039;the brand&#039;) for those who choose to dumb down or spoil the collaborative vision, how can collaboration work when the players are dispersed, and the project they are working on lacks the clarity of  a new open source software development?

Democracy - when done well - is all about collaboration.  When King Arthur sat at the Round Table, he was no longer King but part of a collaborative group, with a shared vision and values of conduct.

In our modern world, perhaps it is the lack of clear vision and the lack of shared values that makes collaboration so often fail.  Successful collaborative work is democracy in action.  Management culture without true democratic processes and inspired vision will always be a sham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is timely for me to read this blog as I am being encouraged by a man I have never met via Skype to take my new brand and make it global &#8211; not in a monetizing franchising way, but as a collaborative effort.  His vision is to allow people in other countries (he is in South Africa) to share the experience he and I gain from putting on our individual events focused on people starting over (divorce, bereavement etc).</p>
<p>On the one hand I find myself trying to decide when to invest in patenting a new brand that has not yet even experienced the test of it&#8217;s first event, and on the other hand, keen to create a collaborative platform via a shared website to support others who want to do their own versions of the show, but within a kind of consistent framework (like with franchising).</p>
<p>But without trademarking and without the discipline and clear consequences (removing the right to benefit from &#8216;the brand&#8217;) for those who choose to dumb down or spoil the collaborative vision, how can collaboration work when the players are dispersed, and the project they are working on lacks the clarity of  a new open source software development?</p>
<p>Democracy &#8211; when done well &#8211; is all about collaboration.  When King Arthur sat at the Round Table, he was no longer King but part of a collaborative group, with a shared vision and values of conduct.</p>
<p>In our modern world, perhaps it is the lack of clear vision and the lack of shared values that makes collaboration so often fail.  Successful collaborative work is democracy in action.  Management culture without true democratic processes and inspired vision will always be a sham.</p>
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		<title>By: Frymaster</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/05/10/thinking-about-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-338476</link>
		<dc:creator>Frymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benoit&#039;s point about double authors is the key for me (and I assume you&#039;re discounting ghost authors, who are legion). Maybe instead of knowledge economy, it&#039;s creation economy. It&#039;s not what you know that delivers value, it&#039;s what you can make with what you know. 

Creative people have a distinct tendency to egocentrism, contraindicating collaboration. We only collaborate when we have to, and the dynamics can be, well, dynamic. Being in a band is a pressure cooker of competing egos forced together to produce something none could create alone. When it works, it&#039;s heaven on earth. When it doesn&#039;t, which is most of the time, the product is worse than the individuals could do alone. 

It&#039;s a long run from musician&#039;s antics to an enterprise of brainiacs, but I&#039;m convinced there&#039;s a similarity. Creators, by nature, think quite highly of themselves. 

So now, instead of needing seeds or steel, we use our knowledge to make things of value. But it&#039;s the making, not the knowledge, that  creates value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benoit&#8217;s point about double authors is the key for me (and I assume you&#8217;re discounting ghost authors, who are legion). Maybe instead of knowledge economy, it&#8217;s creation economy. It&#8217;s not what you know that delivers value, it&#8217;s what you can make with what you know. </p>
<p>Creative people have a distinct tendency to egocentrism, contraindicating collaboration. We only collaborate when we have to, and the dynamics can be, well, dynamic. Being in a band is a pressure cooker of competing egos forced together to produce something none could create alone. When it works, it&#8217;s heaven on earth. When it doesn&#8217;t, which is most of the time, the product is worse than the individuals could do alone. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long run from musician&#8217;s antics to an enterprise of brainiacs, but I&#8217;m convinced there&#8217;s a similarity. Creators, by nature, think quite highly of themselves. </p>
<p>So now, instead of needing seeds or steel, we use our knowledge to make things of value. But it&#8217;s the making, not the knowledge, that  creates value.</p>
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