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		<title>By: Of ragu and bolognese and Cory Doctorow &#8211; confused of calcutta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of ragu and bolognese and Cory Doctorow &#8211; confused of calcutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers of this blog will know that I have a thing about ragu, as described here, here, here, here and most recently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gianugo Rabellino</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2008/07/11/you-say-tomayto-and-i-say-tomahto/comment-page-1/#comment-377634</link>
		<dc:creator>Gianugo Rabellino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,

any variation of &quot;bolognese&quot; is an abomination to Italians, with &quot;bolognaise&quot; being the ultimate insult given it&#039;s a french word. :)

If you&#039;re in front of italian folks and mention bolognaise, expect either blank stares or snickers. We might (might!) stand something like &quot;ragù alla bolognese&quot;, but the name of the meat sauce is &quot;ragù di carne&quot; or just &quot;ragù&quot;, full stop. Next time you hit an italian restaurant, ask for an italian menu and compare it to the english translation: I&#039;m ready to bet that &quot;bolognaise&quot; will be translated to &quot;ragù&quot;.

Great you managed to find gramigna! That&#039;s the best way to have meat sauce. However, may I suggest you don&#039;t leave Bologna without trying some &quot;tortellini in brodo&quot;? That&#039;s the ultimate comfort food indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,</p>
<p>any variation of &#8220;bolognese&#8221; is an abomination to Italians, with &#8220;bolognaise&#8221; being the ultimate insult given it&#8217;s a french word. :)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in front of italian folks and mention bolognaise, expect either blank stares or snickers. We might (might!) stand something like &#8220;ragù alla bolognese&#8221;, but the name of the meat sauce is &#8220;ragù di carne&#8221; or just &#8220;ragù&#8221;, full stop. Next time you hit an italian restaurant, ask for an italian menu and compare it to the english translation: I&#8217;m ready to bet that &#8220;bolognaise&#8221; will be translated to &#8220;ragù&#8221;.</p>
<p>Great you managed to find gramigna! That&#8217;s the best way to have meat sauce. However, may I suggest you don&#8217;t leave Bologna without trying some &#8220;tortellini in brodo&#8221;? That&#8217;s the ultimate comfort food indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot, Gianugo. I don&#039;t say Bolognaise either, though I do use &quot;ragu&quot;and &quot;bolognese&quot; almost interchangeably. Is that wrong? Please enlighten me.

By the way I had the most fantastic meal tonight. In Bologna. Ragu based almost solely on salsicce fresche as the meat ingredient, and with gramigna as the pasta. Unbelievable. And not tomato-ey at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot, Gianugo. I don&#8217;t say Bolognaise either, though I do use &#8220;ragu&#8221;and &#8220;bolognese&#8221; almost interchangeably. Is that wrong? Please enlighten me.</p>
<p>By the way I had the most fantastic meal tonight. In Bologna. Ragu based almost solely on salsicce fresche as the meat ingredient, and with gramigna as the pasta. Unbelievable. And not tomato-ey at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gianugo Rabellino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gianugo Rabellino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,

please excuse the shameless plug, but as an Italian geek and foodie, I&#039;m quite opinionated about ragù (no, you will never hear me call it &quot;Bolognaise&quot;). And yes, it&#039;s all about very small quantities of tomato, with some exceptions.

Here are a couple of recipes I hacked up: the first one is more tomato-based (something you can&#039;t avoid if you want some moist in your lasagne), while the second one uses just a small quantity of red stuff - in line with the tradition of what we call &quot;ragù bianco&quot; (literally &quot;white ragout&quot;, where white means with little to no tomato). 

1) http://boldlyopen.com/2007/01/15/the-sunday-post-layers-layers-layers/

2) http://boldlyopen.com/2006/12/17/the-sunday-post-down-the-rabbit-hole/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,</p>
<p>please excuse the shameless plug, but as an Italian geek and foodie, I&#8217;m quite opinionated about ragù (no, you will never hear me call it &#8220;Bolognaise&#8221;). And yes, it&#8217;s all about very small quantities of tomato, with some exceptions.</p>
<p>Here are a couple of recipes I hacked up: the first one is more tomato-based (something you can&#8217;t avoid if you want some moist in your lasagne), while the second one uses just a small quantity of red stuff &#8211; in line with the tradition of what we call &#8220;ragù bianco&#8221; (literally &#8220;white ragout&#8221;, where white means with little to no tomato). </p>
<p>1) <a href="http://boldlyopen.com/2007/01/15/the-sunday-post-layers-layers-layers/" rel="nofollow">http://boldlyopen.com/2007/01/15/the-sunday-post-layers-layers-layers/</a></p>
<p>2) <a href="http://boldlyopen.com/2006/12/17/the-sunday-post-down-the-rabbit-hole/" rel="nofollow">http://boldlyopen.com/2006/12/17/the-sunday-post-down-the-rabbit-hole/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, thanks for the feedback. Arthur, Marcella Hazan is perfect for me; I took a look at her recipes, and they look just right. Checked her out on wikipedia and found out she comes from Emilia Romagna, which adds to the authenticity. Thanks again. Will try them out as soon as I can. And let you know the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, thanks for the feedback. Arthur, Marcella Hazan is perfect for me; I took a look at her recipes, and they look just right. Checked her out on wikipedia and found out she comes from Emilia Romagna, which adds to the authenticity. Thanks again. Will try them out as soon as I can. And let you know the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest you try Marcela Hazan&#039;s recipe from her book  &quot;Classic Italian Cooking&quot;.  Here are a couple of online copies of her recipe and directions. While I can&#039;t vouch for their total adherence to Marcela&#039;s original, they&#039;ll give you a flavor (hah!) of what she&#039;s aiming for, which is a lot like your preference.
1)  http://www.lastnightsdinner.net/category/marcella-hazan/
2) http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/04/11/2214501.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you try Marcela Hazan&#8217;s recipe from her book  &#8220;Classic Italian Cooking&#8221;.  Here are a couple of online copies of her recipe and directions. While I can&#8217;t vouch for their total adherence to Marcela&#8217;s original, they&#8217;ll give you a flavor (hah!) of what she&#8217;s aiming for, which is a lot like your preference.<br />
1)  <a href="http://www.lastnightsdinner.net/category/marcella-hazan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lastnightsdinner.net/category/marcella-hazan/</a><br />
2) <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/04/11/2214501.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/04/11/2214501.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic bit of food research JP!  I am squarely placed in the &#039;I know I&#039;ve tasted good bolognese sauce before, but could never come close to explaining why/how&#039;.  I&#039;ll have to print this post out and take it with me to a couple of my fav London Italian restaurants and do some personal taste testing.  I was actually in Bologna a couple years back when I first landed in Europe, and now have a huge incentive to go back and do some food research verification :).

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic bit of food research JP!  I am squarely placed in the &#8216;I know I&#8217;ve tasted good bolognese sauce before, but could never come close to explaining why/how&#8217;.  I&#8217;ll have to print this post out and take it with me to a couple of my fav London Italian restaurants and do some personal taste testing.  I was actually in Bologna a couple years back when I first landed in Europe, and now have a huge incentive to go back and do some food research verification :).</p>
<p>James</p>
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