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		<title>By: Paramendra Bhagat</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-465795</link>
		<dc:creator>Paramendra Bhagat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://democracyforum.blogspot.com/2008/11/onto-grassroots-governing.html</description>
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		<title>By: Partha Kannan</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-464348</link>
		<dc:creator>Partha Kannan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,

Thanks for this. It is really fascinating to see the Internet starting to play a key role in democracy and government affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,</p>
<p>Thanks for this. It is really fascinating to see the Internet starting to play a key role in democracy and government affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-464004</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tim, thanks for the link, very interesting. one of my biggest fears about what&#039;s happening since the credit crunch is that private sector jobs are disappearing and reappearing, with some time delay, as public sector jobs. administrative costs are moving from unacceptable to insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tim, thanks for the link, very interesting. one of my biggest fears about what&#8217;s happening since the credit crunch is that private sector jobs are disappearing and reappearing, with some time delay, as public sector jobs. administrative costs are moving from unacceptable to insane.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-464003</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>benoit, nice to see you here. as you say education is key. I agree with you on layering/aggregating, but tend to feel (a) one layer is enough and (b) it must be &quot;local&quot;; there will be some future evolution of what we used to call city-states

as far as the rest of your points are concerned, there are three answers. education education education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>benoit, nice to see you here. as you say education is key. I agree with you on layering/aggregating, but tend to feel (a) one layer is enough and (b) it must be &#8220;local&#8221;; there will be some future evolution of what we used to call city-states</p>
<p>as far as the rest of your points are concerned, there are three answers. education education education</p>
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		<title>By: Benoît Tuerlinckx</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-463323</link>
		<dc:creator>Benoît Tuerlinckx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,
your enthusiasm is refreshing but on this topic my fears are high.
Obviously the &quot;fluid&quot; Internet makes life simpler for citizens&#039; teams to work together.
However:
1- &quot;direct democracy&quot; just does not scale up. The systems needs a layer or two of representatives.
2- worse: the Internet just transfers some power to a new intellectual elite (that you are a member of) but there still are many leftovers and people who will:
a) more easily be fooled by manipulated information on the Net that they currently are by Fox news
b) just switch from watching TV ads to reading Internet ads

The real issue in my view is not the medium, it is education in order to:
1- get people to write well (essential to their participation in the global democracy) 
2- get people to be interested in the life of the city</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,<br />
your enthusiasm is refreshing but on this topic my fears are high.<br />
Obviously the &#8220;fluid&#8221; Internet makes life simpler for citizens&#8217; teams to work together.<br />
However:<br />
1- &#8220;direct democracy&#8221; just does not scale up. The systems needs a layer or two of representatives.<br />
2- worse: the Internet just transfers some power to a new intellectual elite (that you are a member of) but there still are many leftovers and people who will:<br />
a) more easily be fooled by manipulated information on the Net that they currently are by Fox news<br />
b) just switch from watching TV ads to reading Internet ads</p>
<p>The real issue in my view is not the medium, it is education in order to:<br />
1- get people to write well (essential to their participation in the global democracy)<br />
2- get people to be interested in the life of the city</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Coote</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-462886</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Coote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP
Funny you should mention reducing the cost of government and administration. That&#039;s the opinion I normally start from, too.

I found Willem Buiter&#039;s recent blog interesting. Essentially his thesis is that you either get efficient or over-controlling government and therefore expensive government is a cost of liberalism.

http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/12/in-praise-of-government-incompetence/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP<br />
Funny you should mention reducing the cost of government and administration. That&#8217;s the opinion I normally start from, too.</p>
<p>I found Willem Buiter&#8217;s recent blog interesting. Essentially his thesis is that you either get efficient or over-controlling government and therefore expensive government is a cost of liberalism.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/12/in-praise-of-government-incompetence/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/12/in-praise-of-government-incompetence/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-462340</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Chris, thanks for your comments. I can see how the internet could become a brake on bad government, but I think people are still underestimating how useful it is in good government. People who believe in its possibilities are often classed as Utopian, which seems somewhat unfair.

I think the democratisation of funding, the potential breakdown of party-organised politics (as opposed to values-driven) and the subsequent weakening of lobbying systems with their inherent corruption, all of this will yield a better political landscape, better government. For one thing the cost of public administration will drop, an appalling level in most countries today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Chris, thanks for your comments. I can see how the internet could become a brake on bad government, but I think people are still underestimating how useful it is in good government. People who believe in its possibilities are often classed as Utopian, which seems somewhat unfair.</p>
<p>I think the democratisation of funding, the potential breakdown of party-organised politics (as opposed to values-driven) and the subsequent weakening of lobbying systems with their inherent corruption, all of this will yield a better political landscape, better government. For one thing the cost of public administration will drop, an appalling level in most countries today.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Swan</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-462146</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP,

You should probably take a look at the work by the Oxford Internet Institute (http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/) in this area. Dr Victoria Nash gave a very interesting presentation at the recent Silicon Valley Comes to Oxford Networking Masterclass. She covered a number of internet facilitated citizen engagement models. If I recall correctly (and here&#039;s where I wish I had a copy of the presentation, or took better notes) her position was that the present evidence gave little support for levelling of traditional influence structures, or greater citizen participation in policy formulation, but that the internet was proving to be a significant tool in the use of democracy as a means of removing bad government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP,</p>
<p>You should probably take a look at the work by the Oxford Internet Institute (<a href="http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/</a>) in this area. Dr Victoria Nash gave a very interesting presentation at the recent Silicon Valley Comes to Oxford Networking Masterclass. She covered a number of internet facilitated citizen engagement models. If I recall correctly (and here&#8217;s where I wish I had a copy of the presentation, or took better notes) her position was that the present evidence gave little support for levelling of traditional influence structures, or greater citizen participation in policy formulation, but that the internet was proving to be a significant tool in the use of democracy as a means of removing bad government.</p>
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		<title>By: MyBarackObama&#8217;s for life, not just for Christmas &#124; johninnit</title>
		<link>http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/01/06/musing-about-the-internet-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-462089</link>
		<dc:creator>MyBarackObama&#8217;s for life, not just for Christmas &#124; johninnit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Good post today at JP Rangaswami&#8217;s Confused of Calcutta. He&#8217;s been reading Pew Internet&#8217;s latest report on post-election voter engagement (always one reason his excellent blog gets my gratitude, as he pulls out so many great nuggets from Pew Internet and saves me having to read them all! Now, if he&#8217;d just stop going on about cricket&#8230;). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Good post today at JP Rangaswami&#8217;s Confused of Calcutta. He&#8217;s been reading Pew Internet&#8217;s latest report on post-election voter engagement (always one reason his excellent blog gets my gratitude, as he pulls out so many great nuggets from Pew Internet and saves me having to read them all! Now, if he&#8217;d just stop going on about cricket&#8230;). [...]</p>
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